Gabriele Sandri, un dj romano di 28 anni, è stato ucciso stamattina attorno alle ore 8:50. Gabriele Sandri, a Roman dj of 28 years, was killed this morning around 8:50 am. Il giovane è stato colpito da un proiettile al collo esploso da un agente della Polizia Stradale per cause ancora da accertare. The young man was hit by a projectile exploded in the neck by an officer of Police for reasons yet to be established.
Il fatto è accaduto in un autogrill sulla A1 nei pressi di Badia al Pino, Arezzo. The fact happened in a Autogrill on the A1 close to Badia al Pino, Arezzo.
Secondo le prime testimonianze, ci sarebbe stato un breve tafferuglio fra alcuni tifosi (non ultras organizzati) juventini di origine napoletana diretti a Parma e altri della Lazio in viaggio verso Milano per la gara Inter - Lazio, le cui tifoserie sono gemellate. According to initial evidence, there would be a short brawls between some fans (not organized ultras) Juventus fan of Neapolitan origin aimed at Parma and Lazio's trip to Milan in the race for Inter - Lazio, whose supporters are twinned.
Qualche minuto dopo sarebbe arrivata sul posto una pattuglia della Polizia Stradale. A few minutes after it arrived at a patrol of the Police. Al (probabile) fuggi fuggi seguito alla presenza degli agenti, le forze dell’ordine avrebbero risposto sparando un colpo in aria. Al (probable) flee flee following the presence of agents, the police have responded firing a shot into the air.
Il secondo proiettile avrebbe invece ucciso il giovane tifoso laziale mentre già si trovava sul sedile posteriore dell’auto, una Renault Megane grigia: una possibilità avvalorata dalla rottura del lunotto posteriore causata dal proiettile. The second bullet would have killed the young fan while Lazio was already on the back seat of the car, a Renault Megane Gray, a possibility supported by the rupture of the rear window caused by a projectile.
Il questore di Arezzo ha ammesso l’accaduto parlando di “un tragico errore”. The Quaestor of Arezzo has admitted talking about the incident "a tragic mistake."
Inter-Lazio rinviata a data da destinarsi, le altre partite cominciate con 10 minuti di ritardo. Inter-Lazio postponed to date to be decided, other games started with 10 minutes late.
Tensione, come prevedibile, in molti stadi. Tension, as expected, in many stadiums. A Milano corteo di ultras di Inter e Lazio, sassi contro un commissariato. A procession of Milan ultras of Inter and Lazio, stones against a High Commissioner.
Sospesa e rinviata Atalanta-Milan, dopo che gli ultras delle due squadre hanno inscenato incidenti contro le forze dell’ordine minacciando di entrare in campo. Suspended and postponed Milan-Atalanta, after the ultras of the two teams have staged incidents against the forces threatening to enter the field.
Cori contro la polizia un pò in tutti i campi, dal calcio al basket (Armani Jeans Milano - Varese, con i tifosi meneghini che hanno abbandonato il palazzetto per protesta e quelli varesotti che se la sono presa con i poliziotti presenti prima di raggiungere il corteo di interisti e laziali). Cori against the police a little in all fields, from soccer to basketball (Armani Jeans Milano - Varese, with Meneghini fans who left the hall in protest and that if the Varesotto are taken with the police present before reaching the parade of Inter and Lazio).
Polemica, infine, per la decisione di non rinviare tutte le gare come già successo dopo l’omicidio del poliziotto Fabrizio Raciti, per cui manca ancora un colpevole. Controversy, finally, the decision not to postpone all the races as already happened after the murder of policeman Fabrizio Raciti, which still lacks a culprit.
November 11th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
GREAT SOLIDARITY 'THE POLICE STATE AND ALL THE POLICE FORCES IN PARTICULAR THE' AGENT IN A 'SUCCESS THE FACT. AFTER HEARING condolences to the family of the boy KILLED. THAT THIS 'I am ashamed WHY TO BE ITALIAN' not knowing HOW TO TAKE PLACE IS THE FACTS HAVE MESS0 Rogo TO THE POLICE FORCES WHICH EVERY MINUTE EVERY SECOND DAY AGNI risk their lives to protecting a miserable salary.
November 11th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
17:52 Quaestor Arezzo: "Our Involved agent working very well"
In the incidence of Arezzo "was involved one of our staff who usually work very well." He said the Quaestor of Arezzo, Vincenzo Giacobbe, during a press conference, still in progress, on the death of Gabriele Sandri. A policeman, with ten years of service, he added, "that is part of a department that always gives us great satisfaction."
16:47 Two bullets fired by
Both station in Badia al Pino where he died the young Lazio both on the track that has been made investigations by the police science. Always emerged as the cars on board Gabriele Sandri may have been reached by a pistol shot while the car was exiting from the service.
November 11th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
We need to distinguish good deeds. This is not a fan of hunting by police, but a probable error of one policeman to be investigated for his behavior and death of a young man who probably did not commit anything. I do not agree with the chaos that has been created, and indeed has created an opportunity to stop casino.
November 11th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
I was impressed by tg evening, where the main topic was football, and I'll explain: it was pulled in the ball incident Raciti, in stadiums chaos broke out, but the incident occurred this morning in my opinion has nothing to do with absolutely nothing, the fight result could have been other reasons for the regrettable fact ... I do not think in this case the dispute between children from different supporters, but a policeman that the lay-by on the other side of the road firing of shots without seeming Therefore, since this was a fight with words and fists. If the police every time there is a brawl between a group of people should speak with their weapons, what would happen?
And with this I do not want to make absolutely against the forces that respect, but as rightly be prosecuted through the media, when doctors in the operating room, "for the tragic fate" kill people, just as was done against that policeman in particular (but without fury against the entire category).
November 11th, 2007 at 11:01 PM
do not shoot from 200 meters to human height, to quell a brawl !!!!!!!!
and reinforcements are called, are the casomai truncheon!
not the fan, do not go to the stadium, never, but Mexico!
thanks!
November 11th, 2007 at 11:07 a.m. pm
attention! no thanks from Mexico fan, but, thanks to allow me to tell my! family Sandri, sentitissime condolences! ask forgiveness for those human beings that we do not believe these are !!!!!!!!!!!
xxxx
November 11th, 2007 at 11:12 a.m. pm
ilnome but the staff involved and why not 'been announced?
November 12th, 2007 at 8:58 am
in the United States. Year-end is the habit of firing into the air and with real weapons, to celebrate
last year there were about forty dead, killed by falling bullets, bullets fired following the laws of gravity
unfortunately, a policeman thought of firing in the air and the projectile described a parable deadly killing one person
it is clear that it was an accident, fatal and serious
Instead what has happened in Bergamo, Taranto, Rome and elsewhere are not fortuitous unfortunate accident: son by hand armed attacks which have deliberately tried and are trying to hide behind the death of an innocent boy, exploited the death of a person to trigger instincts repressed is the most shameful we can do is likely to turn grief into an excuse for repeat offenders
fabrizio and I would point out that firing a gun and intentionally hit a target as small as the neck or head unapersona to over 50 meters is almost impossible: this should make it clear that the officer who fired is responsible for a deadly mishap, perhaps similar to dozens that have found on the road in his career caused by those who had drunk or had impasticcato. A difference from those who commit massacres on the road, quell'agente increasing risk of going to jail for not having assessed that his gesture was aimed to restore order and avoid a brawl could have unimaginable consequences
fans who knew devastao which were contrary to their objectives and consequences of their actions
November 12th, 2007 at 9:35 am
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ROME 11/11/2007
ON THE FACTS OF SERIOUS AREZZO DELL'ASSASINIO OF GABRIELE
The whole Forza Nuova is dismayed facing murder of Gabriel, boy of just 26 years murdered in cold blood by a member of the public security force.
Convinced that nothing can justify a murder, extend our heartfelt condolences to his family and to all those who bring the heart the memory of her smile
UNDER NEW
November 12th, 2007 at 9:36 am
I would credit that is' was a mistake, Who Has The Policemen shoot in the air, but if it is' true that people do not Volano, Caro cops [Rovato.org] ..
November 12th, 2007 at 10:05 AM
I am sorry for the boy killed ..
I am sorry for the policeman, if it is a mistake, appurerà the investigation, which lasts 45 minutes as in television, ricordiamocelo before pulling the first time ..
I am not sorry for those guys who have died for this pretext in order to implement actions organized unnecessary violence .. those used the squadristi same methods that already are seen in action after the death of poor Mrs. Reggiani died a pretext taken by violent misfits ..
I do not regret those politicians who have used the affair to mere political quarrel: a name on all Calderoli ..
They want the league suspended? ok enough for this league, salatissime fines and even exclusion from the league for those companies that have business relationships with groups Ultrà ..
Another wonderful thing this affair "normal amministarzione supporters that opponents come together and Menano nell'autogrill" would be fantastic and the players criminogeni immigrants, some examination of conscience I would also rate of violence in relationships socili of Italian society, relations man is a woman, relations between youth groups, business relationships .. go to read the column in which black often cover such interactions ..
Toll fantastic faces the ultras claiming that claim, despite the ideology of their tribes have made the stadiums invivibili .. those who demand dry fiderebbe to bring your child to the stadium?
This story should reflect the fans of zero tolerance, the event could be the paradigm of such a system which provides greater powers for the police .. what to believe it was a messenger of kisses? know that a new york and london to innocent people died at the hands so that the police applied the beautiful package of zero tolerance of Giuliani and Blair? Now all crying, well certainly is not the only Bedouin killed ..
Then the ridiculous TV that the cross bring him only to fans, but their discussions of the Arma white for Minch, the enormous interest TV that made football a sport without plastic feelings, we want to talk about it .. they are the first to oppose a humanizing and pacification of the phenomenon ..
Sorry for the length of ..
November 12th, 2007 at 11:36 a.m. am
FN narcotic, a police officer is wrong and becomes a murderess, fans FN militating in all the fringes of extremism Metton iron and fire to Rome, and these have nothing to say
the agent has certainly wrong to shoot in the air, not knowing where the bullet ended, but its wrong action is the result of the state of tension that makes life impossible since FN and ultras made no man's land stadiums and not to support the team
have the decency to remain silent would be the most serious expression of grief and mourning to partecipazuione
November 12th, 2007 at 12:24 p.m. pm
@ Jonah: looks that there is a bergamo Forza Nuova cornering, Taranto is traditionally a curve "red" .. your speech is at least incomplete, can not find?
@ Giancarlo: a bullet that "falls" no more than 50-60 es'infila in the base of the neck of a boy?
But did you know that you've written idiocy?
For the rest, I can not say anything.
I just wanted to clarify.
November 12th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Jonah ... No comment is better ...
November 12th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
our heartfelt condolences to the family of the boy killed.
It is not unthinkable that one thing to stop a brawl of a few people a policeman shot from one part of the motorway ..
and then the boy was already climbing in the car and then presume that the brawl was that the finita.ma decide which of duty.
Having said that I would say 2 words about clashes yesterday.
People are not accustomed to the stage and the ultras world must think one thing .. the guys that follow every Sunday his team were always problems with the police (and not with other fans, not to merit forces alleged order) because the grand leaders of Digos & C. to incite confrontation and no dialogue .. Videos for example when a verona ultras of brescia was beaten to the point to stay almost paralyzed for life (and Eero present) have never left .. perhaps because the police had the the wrong? Do everything possible to provoke and offend verbally then physically (and I say this from personal experience after 4 years of travel). The ultras know that there is no reason for the clash with the cops because we always forgive but if this happens not because the question is whether there is something wrong in the police ?????
Yesterday was the drop that made the vase overflow .. a continuing crackdown Sunday after Sunday with the killing of the boy he fucks burst violence (and it does not speak of it curves right to left but the ultras).
November 12th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
Jonah chissa remember why sempore FN, and nobody ever _Ultras no global black blocks etc etc.
The fate is that a boy died
An agent probably made a mistake and now has a boy on his conscience, that is raw and pure reality, everything else is cowardice to take advantage of a bereavement.
November 12th, 2007 at 3:41 pm
Forza Nuova this time "firing" of large st ... ate. Why not reason rather sad reality of the game of football is no longer a game but a safety valve for young disabled and for delinquent acts and a source of disgrace for business players dopati and presidents of companies and unscrupulous intrallazzatori.
November 12th, 2007 at 3:43 pm
Suspend matches, to pay for damage to clubs and players with less money ... and socially useful work for those decommissioning of ultras ....
November 12th, 2007 at 3:43 pm
pardon of misfits ... ultras.
November 12th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
it is curious that the ultras have already tried the policeman, but so far have never tried themselves
Rome has no policeman fired let alone have a shot Bergamo and Taranto
I personally condemn the violence by any party videos, but I remember that there is at the ultras red-green or white cyclamen, blacks or blue dots or stripes have convinced many of those who loved football stadiums to leave and not watch even more television
I have never seen a repair to the ultra-made disasters Brescia during clashes with supporters of Roma and other teams and if you invoke the police against the Romanians who do not respect the rules I would like to understand why the fault of the Sunday riots in Rome Taranto, Bergamo both the Police
I do not think they are misfits defines them as punisher, I have something to look worse because in stadiums give other impressions, I can not understand how to do to watch a dribblng with their backs directed to the field to direct the choirs
As sport that is based on respect and the ability to admit defeat as the result of a possbile confrontation with the friends who practice the same giioco have to conclude that the ultras just do not know what
November 12th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
truly sorry for what is success and I understand that is difficult to explain to a mother and a father that their son died because of a stray bullet:
but some considerations must be made and who know a little ballistic perhaps could put in another case.
the policeman is the 'other part of' autostrda and there is a brawl in place, so we tell, the policeman fired two shots size 9 × 19 Parabellum caliber supplied the police with semiautomatic pistol classic beretta 98 sb
m distance about 60/70 I think the weather conditions were good but there 'was a lot of wind shooting from that distance the projectile has a fall and the probability of hitting a target
are almost zero, firing a shot as dynamic here, and here there will be a nice to go to the experts ballistic trajectory, wind fall, but soprrattutto found shot to be able to determine with certainty whether that was shot by police,
or if others may have even fired at a distance more
Close event possible, or if you really went well and his luck hit, certainly the second policeman did not blame me, is the risk of the trade as qualsisi work, everything can not always be a logical explanation, sometimes occur because the facts have happen.
from here to all that success and after all is another story, in a civilized country, is not eligible to be attacked forces of 'order and barracks, these troublemakers should be arrested and made to rebuild everything that broke and destroyed until 'last penny with their work, perhaps understand, but instead there will be trials costs for the state, for processes, to repair the damage ectt. and we cotribuienti pay.
sorry if the message and a bit long
November 12th, 2007 at 11:31 a.m. pm
Maybe, and I say maybe, if the Quaestor of Arezzo had not changed thirteen times version, convening a press conference where he prevented journalists from asking questions on a version that has denied ten minutes after
if the matches were suspended in time and not as a roma six and a half in the evening cn all people around the stadium already
if if if ...
gabriele sandri would not be alive
but everything else would not have happened
then I do not want to do morality to anyone, but I come to say who fired in the air ..
Pinelli rather like flying from the windows of Calabrian
or Paolo Scaroni, the ultras of brescia massacre BOTTE BY CELERE verona the 24settembre 2005, the Quaestor of Verona had been "hit by a stone ... .."
CAPITA NOT THE PEOPLE THAT THIS IS NOT NO MORE CREDIBIITA 'PROBLEMS AND ALL ARRIVING FROM THEM ?????
November 13th, 2007 at 8:45 am
are the ultras not to have credibility and the right of citizenship:
I do not think makes sense and may be they who decide whether a football match to play or not,
with the same system could decide to close any locake night because someone was killed by a machine run by a drunk out of a bar
As the barrel of people massacred by police and carabinieri suggest that you reread what you wrote in Pasolini years away, and I think its odd that the ultras are often example of racism (if not from what would have caused the controls of the banners) to pretend to Teaching Democracy
you are not sport and there you belong: rapppresentate the most scostante of those who watch, and sport is about the practice and it respects the rules that exclude always the violence, even boxing, if it is aimed to impose its point of view
November 13th, 2007 at 8:56 am
but how many heads of cock and not ashamed to say ... the fact is only one, a boy died for lack of total rambo on duty ... have seen the shooting and a 2 hands stretched forward, certainly was firing in the air as Sisi no ... maybe it was not his intention ucicdere a boy, is dead ... but with courage that you can 'shoot from 50metri perhaps aiming to wheel in a parking lot traffic, hoping that the shot go just focused on the wheel by the ... ...
I personally express full solidarity with ultras arrested in Rome ...
November 13th, 2007 at 9:04 am
accusation rovatese to the police that I would like to point out that in a civilized country the faults are always personal, and that the processes are in court, before asking what their opinions on ultras in action in Bergamo, Rome and Taranto
There were 60 people injured, hundreds of thousands of euros of damage, and Rome is avventuo after the match had been suspended, indicating that fior di Baggiani are also theories of the curve north
incidents involving fans, (we do not know if the agent who is wrong because interevenuto thought to a brawl between supporters or for other reasons) are on the agenda along roads and highways and parking lots, but nobody is never came remotely in the head to destroy and plunder the homes of ultras of which was partly responsible for the accident
judgments on Quaestor, the police officer or any other citizen accused (stress accused) of a crime small or large (the theft of a packet of biscuits to the massacre) are always and only in court and only the court issued rulings, (which you can contestataire, criticize, appeal) that impose punishment: burn a parked car, a motorbike lay the gallery of San Siro, firing a firecracker in the field or bends, or do accoltellare barrel with others, supporters or police is a crime not the right response to un'ìingiustizia
November 13th, 2007 at 9:24 am
I can only to say that already with the choice of nickname indicates who is I, the figure of Greek mythology definitely unfortunate, or an egocentric seeking recognition that refuses to use common sense
The policeman saw a brawl was to intervene
she is across the street probably did not even understood what had been unleashed to fight
made a bad choice to act quickly: it has extracted the gun and shot (hit a small target aiming at the head of a person from that distance you can almost only in films and shooting competitions at Olympics) perhaps to stop the car Perhaps to understand that were about to speak, perhaps for other reasons that we should hear from him in court
condolences to the victim is right, a family has lost a son that it seems not loved the ultra and it was away, so as not to enter in groups away
the sympathy and respect requires silence and remembrance of those who disappeared, but it always turned into its memory un'ìoffesa and who has suffered damage of deliquennza organized under the pretext of typhus can not tomorrow not associate the two memories. the Gabba and the damage,
It should be remembered that this week there were a couple of deaths affected by hunters who have wrong aims: the anti-hunting are millions but none of them has ever passed for the head of organizing spedizoni that punitive so a Federcaccia or guards hunters who have not prevented
November 13th, 2007 at 10:21 am
Jonah says: "Police indictment ... I would like to point out that in a civilized country the faults are always personal"
I fully, Jonah, really.
Therefore: take away the warnings, because they not first respect the personality of guilt!
Sai cm does the formal mechanism? It 'the police, only on the basis of assessments, and manages the Daspo.
Ie: no evidence, no witness, no right of defense.
See how the responsibilities on what happens in stadiums are very well located, and not think about the ultras as a flock of goat.
We want to see it this way, but there are cornering workers unemployed graduate students estimated professional doctors etc etc etc ..
whether you like it or not, the world of curves is (or was, now that goes towards death) the last popular phenomenon coupled by commercial logic.
Then on violence at sports events could write a treatise sociological: Florentine football races in cycling at the end of'800, not to mention the same football.
Since its birth builds upon itself social tensions, and well before the ULTRAS!
Vatta read what happened in 1911, during the first ATALANTA - i .. BRESCIA "bourgeois" of Brescia fans rincorsero the proportion of players to hit rocks and clubs throughout the city after a heavy defeat.
Only that you want to remember only what you want
November 13th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
Australia is in talks about a glass broke the stadium that a boy killed by a policeman.
I agree with the version of the 1911 ... ultras always pay, especially the fans who made the battles more uncomfortable (against modern football, and the paytv megastadi \ malls).
Real law is the problem: if you grant the use of weapons PROPORTIONAL TO NOT A THREAT BUT THE POLICE DISCRETION, then we can not surprising that the police feel empowered to shoot.
The speech is long but we on the streets, doing the accounts with operations outside the police """"" lines """""
but in Australia, with the whole campaign securitaria we want? stressing on the number of helmets as police across Europe done? and the accusation of terrorism? very similar to that of devastation and looting against the demonstrators in Genoa and Milan, 11 March ... all genoa Saturday against impunity and the double standards ...
November 13th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
solidarity with criminals who have acted in rome just no, maybe that comes from them then lagnano all immigrant criminals, as what? boy scout?
nothing justifies what they did .. the organization expressed in those actions then ..
I look to the aggravating terrorism, see if there are grounds for criminal association ..
finally the police chief has discovered the danger of the extreme right, applied to the curves, it's time ..
Bello then see that the league is affected by blows to the head of a flock of esagitati ..
I also went to the stadium, but I refuse to go there, because I'm going to see a football match not to shout buuu or bad language or other all'avversario starts with frustrated and if I see a lot pecking a knife or a paper bomb chestnuts or two in your face, go to Ramenghi you and the ultras mentality .. much better rugby, he called the parity and not have the sorbates menate a bunch of frustrated that need to take appecoronarsi pipelines that are called crimes ..
November 13th, 2007 at 6:32 pm
sorry, but the police do not shoot at random, it is not Rambo and still are people who also commit mistakes, but careful, Motl careful to do all the police or carabinieri the culprits.
Sundays are the hundreds of policemen to take to the stage spitting, insults stone etc, if they were rambo probably some of us would be dead even before or not?
the rest should always be to wait to be hit first and then respond. eh no my dear does not go so we just want the rules, we want people to enforce them, and we also want judges who apply the penalties in a clear and definitive, and fast.
especially going to stop all those caveats and earlier allowing the defense to release anyone.
The warning is right, and indeed should be even more severe because of a group that breaks esagitati, fights etc, the police must be able to brake.
the fate CEH are detached from business logic but then someone is not always so, merchandising exclusive tickets, train travel for specialiu, if one wants to go to the stadium will go by train so you iquina less but you pay the full ticket as they do many workers for 365 days a year.
and repeat the incident of firing has nothing to do with the stadium, was the usual excuse to give him to police, stranmente all the fans were united this time ..
November 13th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
la storia dovrebbe insegnare ma purtroppo non è maestra di vita come dice invece il detto Historia magistra vitae
le olimpiadi furono soppresse dall’imperatore romano perchè creavano disordini tali da renderle un pericolo
una migliaio di anni dopo il calcio fiiorentino fu soppresso perchè le partite diventarono momenti di scontro a sangue
i terroristi palestinesi misero a segno il primo attentato grave fuori dai confini in Germania nel corso delle olimpiadi
in Italia sta crescendo il partito di chi le vuole a porte chiuse e con il calcio sempre meno sport e sempre più spettacolo la possibilità che avvenga non è tanto remota, se si considerano i costi sociali del tifo organizzato che sarà anche popolare, come dice qualcuno, ma è sempre più violento aggressivo, razzista, becero e violento
temo che quello che scrive 28 maggio e curva sud siano la conferma di questa diagnosi: un poliziotto può sbagliare come tutti ma paga da solo i tifosi si mettono in branco per attaccare, questo si è visto e ho visto a Brescia in occasione di partite con l’Atalanta e Roma, e alla fine proprio perchè sono in branco riescono a non pagare mai e allora qualcuno di loro, quelli che dicono di essere leali e onesti abbia il coraggio, se ne ha, di denunciare chi fa e quando lo fa, non di prendere scuse perchè finisce con gli altri in un registro, tanto più che in Italia si dice ci siano 20mila tifosi pericolosi, pià di tutti gli albanesi arrestati per rapine in Italia negli ultimi vent’anni
Novembre 14th, 2007 alle 12:43 pm
CONFERMO VALE UN VETRO ROTTO…
Novembre 14th, 2007 alle 2:07 pm
ma gli albanesi che c’azzeccano?
Novembre 14th, 2007 alle 2:45 pm
marco 28 maggio. Su Genova si può discutere, la cappa repressiva messa in atto in quell’occasione fu senza dubbio ingiustificata, nonché causa prima di quanto avvento. Tuttavia non si possono giustificare le orde barbariche di domenica a Roma, come hanno già detto in molti un agente può sbagliare, questo è avvenuto e avverrà ancora, purtroppo è quasi inevitabile. Le responsabilità vanno messe in luce dagli organi competenti.
A pagare sono sempre i tifosi? Se intendi gli ultras direi di no, in tutti i sensi. A pagare sono i cittadini assennati che quasi ogni domenica in alcune città non possono muoversi liberamente, non possono parcheggiare in certe zone a rischio se non vogliono trovare sorprese. A pagare i danni prodotti da queste greggi sono ancora i cittadini.
La violenza ha sempre accompagnato le manifestazioni sportive popolari come dice giona e come ammette anche ultras bs c.nord, la rappresentazione stessa è una metonimia della guerra guerreggiata. Ci si potrebbe scrivere un trattato di sociologia e in realtà è già stato fatto…Dal Lago docet.
Il problema però è decidere se tutto ciò sia ancora accettabile, se gli ultras possano ricattare lo stato; non è la prima volta: quando Lazio e Roma rischiavano di saltare il campionato di serie A avvenne qualcosa di simile e le istituzioni si prostrarono sbagliando.
Novembre 14th, 2007 alle 4:32 pm
gli ultras sanno difendersi da soli, con le loro modalità, che sono diverse da quelle che vengono da noi utilizzate quando gli organi della repressione dello stato stroncano movimenti o vite… per questo credo che i fenomeni in campo siano complessi: chi vuole negare il carattere repressivo verso i movimenti sociali da parte dello stato si scontra con la storia (vicina e lontana, italiana o internazionale); chi non vede che lo stereotipo del tifoso violento e spaccateste non può spiegarsi il perchè centinaia di giovani in tutta italia si aggreghino nelle curve; e eviterei di etichettare come fascisti gli ultras (fra di loro, a livello politico c’è tutto e il suo contrario). io non lo sono (ultras) ma ho iniziato a stimarli quando li ho conosciuti (parlo della curva nord del bs 1911): modalità di vivere il gruppo, organizzazione, campagne e lotte contro chi vuole ridurre il calcio a puro consumo, legame con gli “amici” e battaglie contro i suprusi. loro a bs non hanno vantaggi dalla società e credetemi, vivono ogni giorno la sospensione dello stato di diritto (le diffide sono questo).
e chi spacca un vetro allo stadio rischia 15 anni???? inoltre dove hanno portato la repressione? è diminuito il pubblico o la violenza? è come per il proibizionismo: non serve a nulla se non a mantenere in piedi le mafie…
Novembre 14th, 2007 alle 7:54 pm
siccome sono aumentate le rapoine in banca, con questo criterio dobbiamo autorizzarle
non mi riesce di capire perchè a qualcuno per alcune ore la settimana possa essere lecito fare quello che è proibito a tutti, nell’interese di tutti,
qui non si tratta di repressione: si tratta di capire perchè una persona normodotata quando vede una partita possa diiventare un deliquente senza rischiare nulla
se usi il telefonino in macchina paghi una multa salata, se superi il limite di velocità altrettando, se bevi e guidi pure: perchè mai se dopo una partita ad uno viene il ghiribizzo di spaccare un vetro di una vettura questo deve essere impunito? costa già a tutti, anche a chi non ama il caclio, pagare pattuglie in più per assicurare l’ordine, anche solo quelle della circolazione, quando ci son partite di calcio, perchè dovremmo anche accettare che questi in nome di una reazione ad una presunta repressione deve mai essere lecito ciò che ad altri è proibito?
aveva ragione Pasolini, quelli come 28 maggio cambiano opinione se il vetro rotto è il loro
mi ricordo troppo bene il Liguori che ora sta ad Italia Uno; un tempo su Lotta continua suggerivas il poliziotto buono è quello morto, la politica della P 38: si è convertito quando ha visto il profumo del denaro e si è dimenticato dei ragazzi che disgraziatamente gli avevano creduto, si ricorda di Sofri ma non dei poveri Cristi
per gli ultras mi sa tanto che è la stessa cosa
Novembre 14th, 2007 alle 7:54 pm
siccome sono aumentate le rapoine in banca, con questo criterio dobbiamo autorizzarle
non mi riesce di capire perchè a qualcuno per alcune ore la settimana possa essere lecito fare quello che è proibito a tutti, nell’interese di tutti,
qui non si tratta di repressione: si tratta di capire perchè una persona normodotata quando vede una partita possa diiventare un deliquente senza rischiare nulla
se usi il telefonino in macchina paghi una multa salata, se superi il limite di velocità altrettando, se bevi e guidi pure: perchè mai se dopo una partita ad uno viene il ghiribizzo di spaccare un vetro di una vettura questo deve essere impunito? costa già a tutti, anche a chi non ama il caclio, pagare pattuglie in più per assicurare l’ordine, anche solo quelle della circolazione, quando ci son partite di calcio, perchè dovremmo anche accettare che questi in nome di una reazione ad una presunta repressione deve mai essere lecito ciò che ad altri è proibito?
aveva ragione Pasolini, quelli come 28 maggio cambiano opinione se il vetro rotto è il loro
mi ricordo troppo bene il Liguori che ora sta ad Italia Uno; un tempo su Lotta continua suggerivas il poliziotto buono è quello morto, la politica della P 38: si è convertito quando ha visto il profumo del denaro e si è dimenticato dei ragazzi che disgraziatamente gli avevano creduto, si ricorda di Sofri ma non dei poveri Cristi
per gli ultras mi sa tanto che è la stessa cosa