Mentre non ci sono ancora novità significative sulla vicenda ricorso (il Tar non ha infatti ancora consegnato le motivazioni dell’istruttoria che intende aprire sul voto rovatese di fine maggio. While there are still significant news story on appeal (the Tar has not yet delivered appraisal of the reasons that it intends to open on voting rovatese end of May.
Nel frattempo, nuovo comunicato di Conter sull’assenza di RdL in consiglio. Meanwhile, the new release will RDL in the absence of counsel. Lo trovate a fondo articolo), spuntano sul tavolo della già movimentata politica di Rovato altri due temi: la moschea e la criminalità. Can be found at the bottom of article), sprout on the table of the already turbulent political Rovato two other issues: the mosque and crime.
A scoperchiare, per la seconda volta (la prima fu durante la campagna elettorale, e si risolse con un buco nell’acqua ), la querelle moschea è stato lo stesso sindaco Cottinelli che ha deciso di ieri di emanare un comunicato stampa ufficiale (trovate acneh questo a fondo pagina) dove in sostanza smentisce “voci e dicerie in merito alla possibilità di realizzare a Rovato un edificio religioso”. A scoperchiare, for the second time (the first was during the election campaign, and was resolved with a hole in water), the quarrel mosque was the same mayor Cottinelli which decided yesterday to issue an official press release (found acneh to fund this page) where essentially denies "rumors and rumors about the possibility of achieving a Rovato a religious building."
Sulla criminalità, invece, torna in campo la Lega Nord: dopo un periodo di silenzio, i “Giovani Bresciani” (legati al Movimento Giovani Padani della Franciacorta) annunciano infatti sul proprio sito “una fiaccolata contro la criminalità” che si svolgerà venerdì 30 novembre a Rovato (partenza alle ore 19:30 dalla stazione) . On crime, however, back in the Northern League: After a period of silence, the "Young Bresciani (linked to the Po Youth Movement of Franciacorta) announced on its website it" a torchlight procession against crime "that will take place Friday, Nov. 30 Rovato to (starting at 19:30 from the station).
Ad ora, non è chiaro se la scelta di stabilire a Rovato l’iniziativa sia legata alla sua posizione geografica di centralità rispetto agli altri centri della Franciacorta o per altri motivi più specificatamente “rovatesi”. For now, it is unclear whether the decision to establish a Rovato the initiative is linked to its geographical position of centrality in relation to other centers of Franciacorta or for other reasons more specifically "rovatesi."
Di seguito, i due comunicati ufficiali diramati da Conter e Cottinelli: Here, the two releases issued by official count and Cottinelli:
CONTER: PRIMA CHIAREZZA SUL RICORSO, POI LA PRESENZA IN CONSIGLIO CONTERIE: CLARITY ON APPLICATION FIRST, THEN THE PRESENCE IN COUNCIL
“Il sottoscritto Alessandro Conter in nome e per conto dei Signori Roberto Manenti, Pierluigi Toscani, Piero Danesi, Giacomo Fogliata, Carlo Alberto Capoferri e Aldo Massimo Rossi comunica che non saremo presenti al consiglio comunale. "I will Alessandro on behalf of Lords Roberto Manenti, Pierluigi Toscani, Piero Danesi, Giacomo Foglia, Carlo Alberto Massimo Capoferri and Aldo Rossi announced that we will not be present at the council.
Le ragioni della nostra ulteriore riserva, alla partecipazione, sono già state più volte espresse nei nostri comunicati. The reasons for our reserves further, the participation, have been repeatedly expressed in our press releases.
Mi preme chiarire che l’accettazione del nostro ricorso ci rafforza nella nostra convinzione che fin tanto che non sarà fatta chiarezza, nel merito dell’attività di scrutinio, vi sia presunzione di dubbio sul risultato finale. I must clarify that the acceptance of our appeal strengthens us in our conviction that so long as it is not made clear, the merits of the ballot, there is presumption of doubt on the final result.
Comprendo che la prudenza è d’obbligo fino a quando non conosceremo nel dettaglio il dispositivo di sentenza ma oggi è con soddisfazione che possiamo dire che le nostre segnalazioni erano veritiere ed è il TAR di Brescia a confermarlo. I understand that caution is required until we know the details of the ruling but now is with satisfaction we can say that our reports were true and is the TAR of Brescia to confirm this.
Il ricorso nostro è stato sin dall’inizio sottovalutato nonché ridicolizzato da questa maggioranza e quindi oggi alla luce dei fatti siamo curiosi di vedere quali altre false informazioni diffonderete a nostro discredito. Our recourse was from the outset underestimated and ridiculed by the majority and then today in light of the facts we are curious to see what other false information spread to our discredit.
Avete ridotto tutto ai minimi termini con l’accusa di mancanza di senso di responsabilità, nel nostro disertare il consiglio comunale, ma forse perché avevate bisogno di una coscienza nel decidere di approvare piani integrati, lottizzazioni e la mitica antenna che cercavate in noi o volevate convincerci che la vostra “civicilandia” è un modo perfetto. You have all reduced to minimum terms on charges of lack of accountability in our desert the city council, but perhaps because they had need of a conscience in deciding to approve plans integrated Development and the mythical antenna that looking at us or you wanted convince us that your "civicilandia" is a perfect way.
Non so come finirà “la partita” ma la cosa certa è la nostra determinazione ad arrivare fino in fondo utilizzando tutti gli strumenti a nostra disposizione. I do not know how to end "the game" but the sure thing is our determination to get to the bottom using all the means at our disposal. Un risultato così esiguo, (sette voti) avrebbe dovuto essere motivo di rispetto anche per le nostre scelte. A result so low, (seven votes) should have been cause for respect for our choices.
Noi non siamo andati in piazza a rivendicare un rinvio ad un nuovo voto ma abbiamo chiesto di accertare se la volontà d’espressione di voto dei rovatesi dentro le urne si e svolta in modo corretto. We are not going to the streets to demand a postponement to a new vote but we have asked whether the expression of willingness to vote for rovatesi inside the ballot box was held in a proper way.
Non è nostra intenzione fare proclami ma chiediamo con forza rispetto da tutti, anche per le nostre scelte, se a qualche rovatese non piace questo modo di amministrare si sappia che noi ben poco possiamo fare e sopratutto sia chiaro che ognuno si assume le responsabilità dell’operato fatto anche in questo intervallo di “presunta” incertezza. It is not our intention to make proclamations but ask forcefully than by all, even for our choices, though some rovatese not like this way of administering it is known that very little we can do and above all it is clear that everyone assumes the responsibilities of ' work done in this range of "alleged" uncertainty.
Un segnale di attenzione sarebbe opportuno partisse dal consiglio di questa sera. A warning signal we should start by the council tonight.
Cordiali saluti. Sincerely.
Rovato delle libertà Rovato freedoms
Alessandro Conter” Alessandro will "
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COTTINELLI: “NESSUNA MOSCHEA, BASTA ILLAZIONI” COTTINELLI: "NO MOSQUE, BASTA allegations"
“Il sindaco di Rovato, Andrea Cottinelli, venuto a conoscenza di continue voci e insinuazioni in merito a una possibile realizzazione di una moschea sul territorio di Rovato, informa i cittadini, che hanno ancora voglia di un po’ di verità, che nel piano regolatore vigente non esiste alcuna area che possa essere adibita a tale uso e che pertanto la realizzazione di luoghi di culto o edifici adibiti ad attività a carattere religioso è impossibile, come del resto lo è stato negli ultimi 5 anni. "The mayor of Rovato, Andrea Cottinelli, who came to the attention of constant rumors and innuendo about a possible construction of a mosque in the territory of Rovato, inform citizens, who still wants a little 'truth, that the plan force there is no area that can be used for that purpose and that therefore the construction of places of worship or buildings used for religious activities is impossible, as indeed it was in the last 5 years.
Coloro che diffondono la notizia lo fanno sapendo di mentire alla popolazione”. Those who spread the news they do so knowing that lying to the people. "
November 28th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
Who is the blonde in the center?
November 28th, 2007 at 1:41 pm
a po 'di ... behavior.
November 28th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
where there are no good ideas van with the blue pants for Cigarette Brembilla, perhaps green with the star compass for the padane anonymous, so the leghisti us have hard, the brain is
November 28th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
Do you have any news about what was discussed and apprrovato the council?
Thank you
Regards
November 28th, 2007 at 2:09 pm
but here stan all crazy! and count? cottinelli attacks that has been regularly proclaimed mayor on election day! than ask, you ask him a respect for him that until proven otherwise has obtained the majority of the votes! you look mah ... for 7 months you were fugitives, now with a reported steile say these things ... and then that of the mosque, because there are presented in the Council to demand explanations directly to the mayor? ah already is true, better not to know that other people think ...
November 28th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
To Piero and Quarantine for all citizens who wish they had:
since the first municipal council elections after I used to bring the points which are discussed in council indicated in the summary and describing the outcome of voting on my blog:
http://angelobergomi.blogspot.com
I remain at your disposal for any explanations to my email angelobergomi@bresciaonline.it
Sincerely.
PS The first two items on the agenda describe them better in the coming days, highlighting the most significant items
November 28th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
I feel almost to contradict the mayor Cottinelli, but SEEMS that the planners of large-permanent red have entered an area with the possibility of settlements to the place of worship, and SEEMS that a community has long been particularly interested and willing purchase due to strategic location.
More than Cottinelli, I think the question can better meet those who have endorsed this plan, who composed the list Rovato of Liberty and strongly supported it.
those who strongly shouted: no to non-EU, no to foreigners, not to unbelievers, etc. etc.
November 28th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
excellent work to Bergomi, but the town does not provide records-records-other municipal councils?
November 28th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
I speak now to clarify the doubts of PARE ...
When I say that there is not even available a say on the basis that places of worship or for activities related to religious practice (speakers, schools of religion) can be built only in the area F and PRG none are available.
The area that you quote is a SP and you can not build these buildings, and the owner in order to obtain planning permission must Convention, the building with the town.
Then confirm what was said in the release.
November 28th, 2007 at 3:44 pm
on the site of the municipality you can find records of all came and city councils as well as to determine all. in particular
http://www.comunedirovato.it/bin/index.php?id=705
found records of advice. yet this is not the council last Monday (up to October), I believe that within a couple of days to be published.
November 28th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
but enough stè cavolate (I was content to be censored nn) with the sole purpose of putting a bad light on the work of cottinelli ... ... ... ... .. than you think to participate in municipal councils and make real policy that forum ... ... ... ... ... ... ... buffoons ... ... ... ..
November 28th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
The photo is of repertoire
Daniele
Rovato.org
November 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
REMEMBERING ALL THE ITALIAN CONSTITUTION GUARANTEES FREEDOM 'OF RELIGIOUS WORSHIP
November 28th, 2007 at 4:50 pm
but will not build a case for sacred buildings here and there ...
November 28th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
The league is a fool ... talk here and there to close mosques quanod in fact regional council in the league in the person of Boni has proposed and signed a law that actually allows the opening of mosques ....
November 28th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
@ I
I deleted the release of Forza Nuova objectively because nothing has nothing to do with Rovato.
However, just insert the link in a post and is the same ..
Daniele
Rovato.org
November 28th, 2007 at 5:31 pm
excuse, the statement seemed to me in line as he spoke of the Law of the league that does not reflect the facts then what they say publicly ...
November 28th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
We say that maybe you could bring a summary of shares you seem relevant to the discussion
November 28th, 2007 at 7:14 pm
daniele to suggest what they have written in alttri blog: the donkey ragli stan well indoors
November 28th, 2007 at 7:46 pm
@ I
No problem, just say that if the statement is not reported to Rovato just insert the link (if what you can do even now), without comment copy-paste to avoid overburdening the discussion.
Happy surfing
Rovato.org
November 28th, 2007 at 11:00 pm
With Angelo Bergomi and staf. of Rovato.org (which published an article about the council).
Regards
November 29th, 2007 at 8:58 am
good aldo maximum red did not respond to Mandelli, but it was quickly aligned to count deserting the council Monday also Rovato
The new suit is more exclusive and could not be otherwise when the criterion of public good will supersede the interests of private, even those of one party are of private interests, especially since the Forza Italia always says
uproar if it will even the new party
it is true that the wolf, pardon the silvio sheds, pardon if he does reimpientare, but not the defect and who supports it takes a model with all the implications
November 29th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
I know that my post scatenerà waves of criticism, but since the topic came mosque, I can say in my respect and in peace.
I made these days in the garden of the new mosque in Brescia, and I have to make a few clarifications:
never found people so quiet and educate correct.
I must say that their contributions and their faith have succeeded where many of the Catholics in other lands were only capable of violence and not to bring churches.
I know countries like Turkey and Turks have friends who come to Rovato to me that as we tell jokes (even pushed sometimes) but when it comes to faith and talk seriously convinced of God.
They know to go to the restaurant, eat well and sometimes, depending on their area of origin (xchè ago Unlike religious observance) also drink well, in short, are "almost" like us.
In Muslim countries is prohibited the sale of alcohol to less than 100-150 meters from the flies (it would take from us for discos)
This is not to just see the glass half full but half empty one and I know from experience that are, by virtue of their religion more rigid in their choices to us (for better or for worse)
They never had missionaries in their history in the name of religion have done violence, as Spaniards, Portuguese, etc.
They ask only to build their churches not to convert, personally I have never been any pressure from any of them in this regard.
So overall I do "disgusting" I particularly love them.
I know that Buddhism (which is a philosophy and not a religion) does not accept Muslims because they have a view of women very low, and this certainly does not play in their favor.
In fact, if someone tries to take refuge at a Catholic from a blade to start the journey is welcome, but no Muslims!
I am the only religion, I repeat, that is not accepted.
I am more afraid to hear and see that other foreigners as es.i Chinese come here buying in "cash" and paying far more real value of buildings and installing competitive activities and often outside of the Italian rules, but that for Catholics (Sellers) is un'affare then tappiamoci nose eyes and ears in exchange for money.
I believe immigrants distinguished on the basis of the origin of religion and not people more or less easy or difficult. "
I think the people of Slavic origin less attentive "to respect the human person, the African people quiet although Muslim, Indian even more quiet and very intelligent.
We Catholics can join freely in all mosques in the world but a few years ago Rovato Muslims had to travel a certain distance from Catholic churches, who is ahead?
I wonder, are we or the ridiculous?
I know Catholics who respect their religion are living a double life, home and church ... ... ... ... else.
I know Italian converted to Islam but someone has never read a verse from the Koran?
Well I do not find differences with many of the phrases in the statements of the Gospels.
So I see no evil mosques in itself, I see evil other achievements as said before, I see evil of Western governments or the Catholic church that does not fly enough to gain equal opportunities edificatorie in Muslim countries, without conquests form of forced conversions .
Vivaiamo still remember going in the world means only profess to do conversions, and proselytes, and not look after "our personal faith.
In conclusion us that we "softening" in the Catholic religion (corruption scandals theft robbery murders alcohol etc etc) and we are not able to look inside, or think that a confession we are acquitted.
So not accusing the other of our weaknesses, analizziamole become stronger and more robust and better able to withstand all ' "invasion" Muslim.
It is also planned as the mayor says the mosque, but if it were to accept and watching me ask you if you are able to do the same and this stubbornness in their countries.
So for now "alive flies virtual Rovato."
Although hate Muslims when in fact reject the equality between men and women.
Hate those who do not respect human life and send children to ask for charity.
To conclude our intransigence towards other religions is not born by the force of others, but from conviction and not yet inconfessata surface from our subconscious that we are victims ourselves of our weaknesses, and "they" are not our own executioners.
Sometimes I try sincerely envies their strength.
November 30th, 2007 at 7:43 am
From your analysis will conclude that the use of fertilizers based on phosphate and nitrate biammonico can produce severe neurological disorder. It should be allowed to detoxify. For the rest all right.
November 30th, 2007 at 7:58 am
Even those who instead founded a movement called the Social Renewal and sets 15-meter band than the Christian holy places for citizens who do not profess this religion Rovato making ridiculous nell'Italia whole you are very nice right?
But is at least shut up!
November 30th, 2007 at 8:05 am
Dear xyzorro. Do not shake. In this world there is also the people (merde that would be better to stay silent, of course) that thinks differently from you. Good day.
November 30th, 2007 at 8:27 am
No one has ever used tones that often you allow yourself. And in two rows greatly contradicts you: do not think like Mr. Mazza? Very well. Who gave you permission to insult with considerations that have nothing ironic, indeed, are offensive?
Still remains my opinion dark period of 9 years of administration in Rovato Manenti.
Only country where in Italy on April 25 could be commemorated only after intervention by the prefect. Or you forgot that you are?
November 30th, 2007 at 8:33 am
Dear Tiziano
I would appreciate more reasoned considerations, not proclamations and / or strokes.
Mine is just trying to give an opinion and provoke a thorough discussion, which should not exactly be in favor or against a mosque, a Rovato Rovato or not, this blog and serve.
Certainly I think we have a lot of fear, but fear is the daughter of ignorance.
Stà evil everywhere, but generally not in religions (real ones), but in people who in some cases, and is historically proven (Islamic extremists, IRA, ancient missionaries, etc.) Start planning to do good even through violence, for then end to violence pure end in itself, but what is behind the masking serious "wars" of religion.
So, I would say first to say no to a religion, NO violence especially that of every day and then potentially could result in the wars of religion.
Reason with his head and on the basis of their experience is certainly antithetical to the side and just, especially with parties or ideologies, in fact I can not believe the political shift, but if ever instructed him to represent me when expressing beliefs close to my ideas.
In the first few words mature my ideas, then do the confidence in who should represent.
And wrong?
I deliberately spoke of the mosque "virtual" on Rovato, not because we should discuss whether it is good or bad, not much gets, and instead seems appropriate to discuss "around" to religion, going this way a little "over" the Mosque mosque reasoning is not.
Thinking and talking together is always better.
I look courteous response, not the recipe for fertilizing.
Thank you
November 30th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
frankly, no one understands why Muslims can not be a place of worship, other religions have this, they comply with the regulations is just to be allowed to do so, I do not understand the shields lifted the usual suspects ..
Even from a practical style sceriffesco should be good, would that is a reference point where a portion of immigrants in the territory are found, from this point of view also a stop is useful foreigners ..
Nothing integration, but how you interact only with insults and kicked in the butt, but when it suits you give super rents for hovel eh? or split the work back in devastating? But they can not have all the things you called respectable citizens can have, eg. a cultural center (say irrelevant) or a place of worship .. Nooo, no one equals the civic education of leghisti and, to be not miss anyone, those four cats fn, examples of modern and integrated citizens ..
And center and Po Valley, regardless of the remedies, come and make you feel the council instead to set up the usual barracks .. or even to pavillons league and gather fn 8 million signatures ....
November 30th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
"I am more afraid to hear and see that other foreigners as es.i Chinese come here buying in" cash "and paying far more real value of buildings and installing competitive activities and often outside of the Italian rules, but for this Catholics (Sellers) is un'affare then tappiamoci nose eyes and ears in exchange for money "..
words holy sledgehammer.
this is absolutely not a fan of Islamic indeed, but the china I am much more afraid .. just take a coffee in the center goat what I'm saying ..
December 1st, 2007 at 2:08 am
the commitments I have kept away, but right back, I can only thank the Mayor Cottinelli for swift and comprehensive response.
I can only wish the community rovatese to remain in a mayor so capable, attentive to the needs and diligent as the current First Citizen.
by those who like me tend to cdx, it's nice to see hope in future possibilities of achieving true mobility of the vote, far from ideologies that we have always kept ingessati, and ready to reward those who have been able to work with skills and loyalty in for public affairs.
December 1st, 2007 at 8:25 am
Good morning to all.
I would like to attach said "Mark sledgehammer and other below, to express my thoughts (probably nobody cares, but being free this space will take).
First I am very glad to read opinions that are dissociated from the choirs of this historical period.
The biggest problem, in my opinion, is ignorance, not understanding how knowledge, which creates in people the fear, suspicion, fear of the other.
Diverse as culture, place of birth, or how to dress differently just for the color of the skin.
It seems absurd that one can think that whoever comes to church is a God-fearing, but whoever comes in a mosque is a potential terrorist. It 'just a nonsense.
In church there are people who are truly Christian believers and practitioners, but there are also people who are not the same.
The same thing happens in mosques.
We are Muslims and there are real people who are only Muslim place of birth or family tradition.
Even as regards the problem of emigration / immigration that is, in my opinion, the same criterion.
Who leaves their land, home, family, the environment gets to try to improve the situation and the family.
And this applies to immigrants in Italy as our grandparents / great-grandparents in the last century.
Surely not all Italian immigrants were the characteristics of saints (but certainly the overwhelming majority was), the same immigrants are not all brave and honest workers. But he is the overwhelming majority.
Order, hunting, emerginare all is not the right thing.
Isolate those who commit crimes, but to help integrate those who deserve it and that, believe me, is no different and has no problems other than Italian.
December 6th, 2007 at 12:37 AM
E 'l' 1 1 / 2 at night and rai forward the most interesting programs, such as one on Turkey, leaving a situation that among the people as ours.
Bad mood for widespread violence and hatred against the Romanians that 'have invaded many Turks are unemployed.
Less obvious even for the Turks: blame the immigrants!
It seems to read the same debates on Italian:
Immigration is no immigration
Desire to join Europe thinking that also serves to counter immigration.
It would be just to see if this program and its internal sostituissimo the words "Turkey" with "ITALY" it would not change at all.
The interviews .... The thoughts of people from the street ... .. hatred ... .. the fear of immigrants violence ... ... ... ... .... ... unemployment ..
All such and such.
Ops, forgot are Muslims!
but like many Italians speak!
but then where are the differences?