Riceviamo e pubblichiamo questa segnalazione da un nostro lettore, che si firma “Optimuspotor”, in merito a un problema più volte segnalatoci da numerosi internauti e non: la sfilza di autovetture che occupano quotidianamente la centrale piazza Cavour ben oltre la ventina di posti auto regolarmente autorizzati. We receive and publish this report by one of our reader, who signed "Optimuspotor" on an issue repeatedly segnalatoci by many internet users and not the slew of cars that occupy the daily central Piazza Cavour well beyond the twenty cars regularly authorized. Il lettore lancia anche un tema non da poco: bisogna pedonalizzare piazza Cavour? The player also launches an issue not just must pedestrianized Piazza Cavour?
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“Da quando piazza Cavour è stata rifatta mi è già capitato in diverse occasioni di fermarmi su alcuni dettagli. "Since Piazza Cavour was redone I've already been on several occasions to stop on some details. Nel tempo ho visto apparire, sparire e poi spostare le rastrelliere porta biciclette . Over time I saw appear, disappear and then move the leads bicycle racks. Ho visto aggiungere dei paletti ad impedire che si passasse con l’auto, come per un certo periodo è accaduto, sugli spazi riservati ai pedoni lungo i lati della piazza. I add posts to prevent the pass with the car, for a certain period happened on spaces reserved for pedestrians along the sides of the square.
Mi sono stupito per la finitura dei camminamenti laterali dove si è lasciato il vecchio lastricato allargandolo con un giro di lastre nuove, ottenendo un curioso effetto a dune. I was surprised to finish the walkways side where he left the old paved enlargement with a round of new plates, resulting in a curious effect on the dunes. Ho notato più e più volte come proveniendo da via Bonvicino, in caso di parcheggi pieni, all’altezza della Macelleria Guarneri non si riesca a capire se i parcheggi in direzione via Ricchino siano tutti già occupati e lo stesso per quelli nella parte interna, con il rischio che procedendo verso via Ricchino e non trovando parcheggio si finisce in Corso Silvio Bonomelli con svolta obbligata a destra, e tanti saluti; mentre se si opta per risalire la piazza se di parcheggi non ce ne sono ci si deve portare, correttamente, o in piazza Palestro o risalire verso la ex Prefettura, e sperare di avere fortuna. I've noticed over and over again as coming from via Bonvicino, where parking lots filled to the Butcher Guarneri not be able to tell whether parking in the direction away Ricchino are all already occupied and the same for those on the inside, with the risk of going away Ricchino and not finding parking is on course ends with Silvio Bonomelli forced to turn right, and we salute you, and when will opt to go back to the square where parking lots are not there you must lead, correctly, or Palestro streets or go back to the former Prefecture, and hope to get lucky.
Altrimenti c’è una terza opzione: parcheggio selvaggio. Certo che si rischia la multa! Otherwise there is a third option: parking wild. Of course we risk a fine! Ma tant’è provate a guardare in foto un pò come può essere piazza Cavour alle 11.45 di un lunedì mattina (31 marzo, per l’esattezza). But so much so try to look a bit like photos can be Piazza Cavour at 11.45 a Monday morning (March 31, to be exact).
Qualcuno risponderà che è colpa degli amministrati, non degli amministratori. E’ già capitato in risposta alla mia segnalazione circa situazioni di degrado sul Monte Orfano. Io mi permetto invece di insistere che forse anche gli amministratori dovrebbero metterci del proprio. Someone will respond that the fault is administered, not administrators. E 'already happened in response to my warning about situations of degradation on Mount Orphan. I would rather insist that perhaps administrators should get their own. Lo so che è irrealistico pretendere il vigile fisso in piazza, ma almeno che si prendesse atto che recuperare la piazza con aderenza filologica al progetto vantiniano potrebbe non essere stata la scelta migliore visto che nel 2008 non si viaggia più con il calesse, ma a bordo di (troppe) auto. I know that it is unrealistic to expect the watchful fixed in place, but at least you take note that recovering the square grip philological vantini the project could not have been the best choice because in 2008 no longer travels with the horse, but on board of (too many) cars.
Non è il caso di tornare a dipingere le righe sull’acciottolato in piazza, almeno per dare una parvenza di ordine e razionalità al parcheggio? Ovvio, la mia è una provocazione. Ma forse bisognava in origine immaginare quello che sarebbe successo e quindi prevedere la pedonalizzazione della piazza, almeno in certi orari, o il suo arredo con elementi atti a impedire il parcheggio selvaggio. There is no need to go back to paint the lines sull'acciottolato in the square, at least to give a semblance of order and rationality to the parking lot? Obviously, I was a provocation. But perhaps we originally imagined what would happen and then provide the pedestrianized of the square, at least at certain times, or his furniture with elements to prevent the parking wild.
PROSIT! Prosit!
Optimuspotor “ Optimuspotor "
March 31st, 2008 at 6:03 pm
confirm the savage street parking cavour occurred this afternoon at 17:00 with the square adjacent virtually empty.
tonight I will make this the fact.
Regards
March 31st, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Dear comrades, but where do you put the 'These machines? we must make them fly? and then the square is empty for whom? for the mayor that looks down from his attic and satisfy his aesthetic sense? from there Rovato, the square has always been used as parking! you like empty? if you like empty squares to go to admire on a street Martinengo from Tuesday to Sunday.
March 31st, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. pm
The architect Vantini, dear Pignatta, when a planned mid-nineteenth century Piazza Cavour did not think that you just want us to park the Suv.
Maybe you could park in Piazza Palestro, or in the parking lot of Via Martinengo, and then you walk two steps.
What do you think?
April 1st, 2008 at 9:22 am
Braga should draw the lines for parking ....
cordiality!
April 1st, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Parking wild and unpunished in Piazza Cavour, but also in Castle. Via Don Racheli and so carampane traveled by all vehicles, all species' exit from the school, but should not be only for residents? It seems almost everyone has forgotten the residents, so why today the center is practically only a hard time and who dwells in the center and we do not have the box (ie the vast majority) must leave the car in the yards of the market. I like that there was more control and is thought to provide permits to residents to be able to park even in areas hard.
April 1st, 2008 at 6:39 pm
vanishing dear, I do not have a suv or park illegally are usually in Piazza Cavour, I just want to say that the bans stop a gust match the trade, then it complains that people continually go to that castle capitalist-bourgeois that the doors are frank !
April 1st, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Monday is a bit problematic one day! I have not parked in manoera vandals but I have done 10 times around the piazza palestro under water and Piazza Cavour first place in Piazza Cavour! What is certain is that if the gym is empty square and some imbecile, makes the Vandals, then there ... It lifts up the phone, local police and ... Puff! Placed on the furbone Lazzaroni! The square is fine so!
April 1st, 2008 at 10:46 PM
The Easter morning I photographed a beautiful collision between two cars, just in the center piazza.SE I think about all the money spent on rifarla and see it reduced to a parking wild, I was a sadness ...
April 2nd, 2008 at 6:10 am
We want the certainty of fine!
April 2nd, 2008 at 6:44 am
Well, if you take away the chance to park in the square ... POOR TRADE! A Rovato because of the old administration were deleted ... the parking lot where the car parking? On rooftops?
... and do not forget the immigrant problem ... if we were to make the square only pedestrian ... in my opinion, would increase even more their presence ... now from 18:00 onwards to the streets not find any rovatese and not because they did not feel like a cup of coffee drinkers but because is disturbed by their presence.
A woman like me for example, is often annoyed by pseudo pawn and vulgar comments .... STOVE ARE!
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:05 am
Piazza Cavour certainly deserves to be appreciated in all its glory.
Turned into a big parking loses all its beauty.
Making the work done and the expenditure incurred for its restoration.
Filled with sadness, however, read comments like that of "electricity".
If the streets does not find its compaesanotti does not feel at ease. To this point not to compete even drink coffee.
Rovato Poor, poor Canada. Poor "electricity".
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:40 am
Dear Abdur Rahman son was probably too hard ... I do not want to make racial discrimination but I felt a duty to raise this issue there is, THERE .. probably too little talk with my "compaesanotti" because the smell is common.
However to those who do not like to enjoy Piazza Cavour in all its glory and all its beauty?
My son permitted image reflecting the reality in which we live without hope, to dream .... To be cynical realista.TUTTO HERE!
April 2nd, 2008 at 8:43 am
It is "electricity", I understand what you say when talking about the "common sense".
I read this blog often and they often speak Italian with my fellow.
But, in my opinion, a mistake made by so many people do not become a right thing. A wrong way of seeing things (wrong in my opinion), becomes not just whether it is common to more than one person.
And I would say that you are convinced that the majority of people do not try so annoying to see people of different race living in that country.
Of course I speak of people of different race but who respect the laws civic and education of our country.
But probably people who do not tolerate foreigners are much more noise.
Only one last thing. You remember that, about thirty, forty years ago, my
fellow of the time, saying exactly the same things that the south had come to live in the north.
And the South were and are for the same reasons why I am here
those people who, by convention policy, are called outside.
Without rancor.
April 2nd, 2008 at 8:50 am
Sorry, but you see the same square as I see it ?!?!?!?!!?!
I close my report by saying: "There is no need to go back to paint the lines sull'acciottolato in the square, at least to give a semblance of order and rationality to the parking lot? Obviously, I was a provocation. But perhaps we originally imagined what would happen and then provide the pedestrianized of the square, at least at certain times, or his furniture with elements to prevent the parking wild. "
I think what it means to clear the square was renovated without really taking a decision on what to do.
As it stands is not a parking lot, where parking is not a wild and abusive, not only on Monday but several times in a little every day (the twenty seats available are a bazzecola ...).
It is not a space for the community because it lacks furnishings and embellishments: for example benches ... so to get over the Tour up and down under the arcades do not know what else do with it.
Each time it is used for public events is a whole mount their bags and boxes and tubular structures, with seizure of more space to the already stolen a few parking spaces.
Then at the end Piazza Cavour what?
The choices are citizens or administrators who take the projects endorsed by the architects?
And 'maybe not to point out possible wrong choices or criticism of an administration?
Last summer when I first reported the radio tower on Mount Orphan seen then as we went to finish the tower is there (could not be otherwise, given the authorization) and administration in the person of the Mayor has made it known through the first page of "Il Leone" which was wrong in assessing the scope.
You will not be wrong again mica also in evaluating the reorganization of Piazza Cavour?
Prosit!
April 2nd, 2008 at 9:10 am
@ optimuspotor
On the issue of antenna we had just seen, we must act dartene.
Regarding the square do not understand what you should say "has been restored without really taking a decision on what to do."
The answer is implicit: a square, very nice to come and cause for pride for Rovato, and this should be.
I do not know what idea you have square, but to me the restoration of the square really enjoyed it again philologically the Vantini.
Then square as a meeting place and no parking wild.
I recognize that on Monday morning is a bit complicated to find parking places and gentlemen, but the problem is limited only to that half day.
I do not understand also those who say that this will kill the trade ... this is a fixation throughout our having to park your car at less than 10 meters from the place where we go.
In my opinion there are parking, lack the will to walk.
April 2nd, 2008 at 11:59 AM
The square is very nice too if he is to be reduced to simple parking.
Conversely if you wanted to return to the heart of the country and a meeting place was necessarily closed to traffic.
I sincerely seems absurd that while you walk under the arcades perhaps with children in biclichetta run or we can find suddenly faced with a car that crosses them.
I always seemed absurd and I thought that after the dns of the square would find a different solution, but it remained a parking lot just a little 'smaller.
As for the non-presence of rovatesi making the square a safe place where traffic maybe go with the family maybe things would change .... at least Sunday.
The problem of parking sincerely believe that there is a Rovato unless you want to avoid traveling even a few meters walk, issues of habit (iseani to ask ...)
April 2nd, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. pm
@ maximum: Rovato to the parking problem is Eccome for residents of the center, for the record Iseo to have permits to residents.
April 2nd, 2008 at 12:44 pm
D'agree for permits to residents who do not necessarily have to park in the square.
I repeat: with a parking lot like that of the Forum on walking Boarium I think the problem does not exist.
April 2nd, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Past quarter of an hour ago in the square: not less than 15 cars left the bulk of course in stopping ban. All regular full parking in the square.
I know so much that is not only a question Monday morning, as I have stressed in my previous posts.
Prosit!
April 2nd, 2008 at 1:29 pm
@ optimuspotor
In fact, maybe I explained badly.
I intended only Monday morning that there are real difficulties to park, being busy parking Boario of the forum.
Those 15 cars parked in bulk, for me, you deserve a pretty fine.
The next time maybe think the fine for parking at the forum (to come free).
April 2nd, 2008 at 3:04 pm
At 16.30 square Cavour besieged by outlaws,
Piazza Palestro free places .... as long as the fines?
I think that comes from there is ill will, from who should control, to tolerate this.
April 2nd, 2008 at 4:02 pm
I believe that we have to be somewhat 'all more tolerant .... Now that every family of 4 has the 2 / 3 machines, it is logical that the parking situation is critical!
Then the ladies going to take coffee in the square, there is to say, do not want to make two steps walk-so I intend to take advantage of the hole-parking ... .. a po 'di MENEFREGHISMO there is towards the conception of the square is against the residents, who inhale SMOG all day and almost every day of the week !!!!!
The THERE ARE LAWS, apply them.
April 2nd, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Optimuspotor absolutely right to denounce the numerous car parked ban stopping in Piazza Cavour. Not only in Piazza Cavour but in squares on the sides of Prepositurale S. Maria Assunta in particular in the evening where among other things stands out clearly prohibits parking in the entire area with forced removal. E 'likely to be customers of restaurants in the castle, so if it would be wise that restaurateurs warn customers to park elsewhere penalty lil ritrovari risk of a fine. Personally, I never parked in any of these areas to stop the ban. If there is ok otherwise parking spot at Foro Boario and then walk away and I emphasize I am not an twenties. I think that some car parking ban is somewhat the same in particular, perhaps because most large and there are better, the SUV of our fellow (not the only place in town just outside that do not respect the rules ). But someone forgot how long the cobbled square Cavour was devastated and never placed as a mayor has dug to search for the remains of the castle south of Rovato, including spending of public money? Nobody remembers the voices that were circulating that she wanted to insert plates of glass above the four walls so that rovatesi could then walk over and admire. If I remember correctly, but also spoke of underground shops (and parking) to compete with free ports. Nobody remembers the excavation left open for years to the sides of the tower's parish in search of secret passages? I am not a defender of the current but I think the current arrangement of the square is safe consona.Di square Montebello is better left of the hole for years. In my view, however, lacks a security barrier between square Montebello and the ascent of Via Matteotti. The Piazza Cavour is improved in some aspects but consistent. I remember that it is a square MONUMENT. In the discussion no one knows the directives given by the Fine Arts for the fitting myself included. As for the "pienone" of rovatesi attending the square not see them for 40 years and I do not think that will ever see. The non-attending spaces vacated by us, there are certainly driven by this place. Some individual initiatives can fill it and bring it to life (and I think that since it was arranged some initiative in most there was) but it is an illusion that there are systematic recipes that do live in continuity seven days a week at all hours. Certainly we need some more fine that is safe and enforce the rules to everyone including Po Valley.
April 2nd, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Where we will finish, we are here to invoke fines ...
robe ever seen!
PS
Like all those who have had the opportunity to be abroad were able to see for themselves, Italians learn fast to obey the law. And do not complain of being unable to come to London without a shell out bundles of pounds, and park your car far away from the center of Paris, and establishing safety belts, and if they have drunk a beer not drive even a hundred meters in Switzerland or Germany ... but then really the story of the unruly nature of the Italians is true only as long as there is no vigilant with the booklet in hand?
April 2nd, 2008 at 9:46 pm
A remark: Rovato to turn into a bike means risking minute by minute to be put under.
And there are racks for parking.
April 2nd, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Indeed! Bonomelli the course is always hasty motorists that if he had a shovel instead of the bumper would be ready to take nell'aiuola
April 2nd, 2008 at 10:59 PM
@ Francis
You can always go back to the era rinvangare Manenti not just highlights a situation perhaps not handled properly by the administration? We all agree that the square dissestata first and riqualificata the current Board is better the second. But have been spent anyway nice Soldini (€ 1,225,000, the source "5 years of Rovato Civica" opuscoletto published during the last elections), and if we agree that all expenses of a government default costs are implemented with public money (that is, "euros" from taxes), light ask anyone knows something that perhaps for this retraining is correct to talk about contributions of public money (regional?), linked to an integrated plan of action for trade (PIC 2004, the same source above), another that among other things I'd like to know how it was done. No one can give clarification?
A vigilant h24 in this square to give fines is obviously impractical. The concept is another note that there is hunger for parking in the square and / or c 'is a practice to park at random which devalues the monumentality of the square. It could then search or sort the stands drawing any line on the floor, or check the option to install the street furniture that physically impede, making it impossible parking wild, or pedestrianized in the square hours during the day most at risk. Other non datur.
Biondini and Biciclettaio raise another interesting trend, that of cycle paths. Even here it would be interesting to see what has been done recently by the city, quoted in the brochure says nothing about. Corso Silvio Bonomelli vice pays to fund retraining "unfortunate". But even here there is nothing eternal well to see some correction and wishing you could make.
In my opinion there are other intriguing aspects to the reflections that can arise are curious to see if someone in the next post them will emerge.
Prosit!
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:56 am
Good afternoon to all involved me in this debate as a resident because I live in Piazza us and for us to find a parking place is really tough ... I understand that the square is the historic center and parking would be reduced to diminutive for the beauty of Rovato, but not there seems that we are exaggerating? here or are permits for residents ... .. (my car there still comes in pocket)
or you make free parking all around the square ... ... and not hours as they are now ... ... so that is shameful ... ... I can not describe the anguish that you try when you return from work and turn like an idiot for quarter from now on a parking lot that at best will need to go an hour later after changing the hard time ... .... not like most of those who say that the square should be pedestrianized (or secure them with a box or parking garage outside home) ... ... then we must live situations before launching proposals to me absurd ... .... Think before you ever talk ... ...
April 3rd, 2008 at 7:35 am
OK ... I think I do not think that would be the first place pedestrianized di'Italia could be wrong ... but ...
Assuming that you want to make believe that grant permits to residents in areas so parcheggino a hard time is not something so revolutionary.
For the safety of cyclists agree: whether a walk Sunday afternoon with two children EXPERIENCE NOT TO REPEAT next time load the bike in the car (and pollute busy parking) and I'm going elsewhere (as do rovatesi 40 years).
April 3rd, 2008 at 4:51 pm
@ Optimuspotor:
For some reason that you do not need rivangare the recent past but I think I did not even completely wrong in my mind. Parenthesis. Sure that public money was spent, but the debate that has impostatata I do not think concerns the basis of which remains good (I think) but the definition of "details" for operational management of space in this case the problem Parking wild. The stripes in the ground to outline the best parking is not moving the "budget" of investment far more than that. Is different if you set the critics on the whole work then agree in the 1,225,000 point by point but here we take another route. The comments of ResidenteBis are correct and the administration should take into account the demands of residents. I'm a cyclist and I know all the roads franciacorta and the surrounding area for track cycling track cycling (Sunday and I have laundry on a provincial road because no-cleaning-yard post road) and I can assure you that the problem is common to everyone but at least the sensitivity is aumentando.Certo Rovato on this issue is further behind than others. Cazzago for example, has done a good job on cycle paths linking all the villages capital and setting some meaning only for cars in two-way for bicycles. Course Bonomelli could give an answer given by the previous administration when a person 'Meetings "Rechtsanwalt Boario had asked puzzled why it was not provided a space for the bike path in view of the work in progress. But I call Optimuspotor not rivangare the past for not writing. I believe, but I am not sure that a work made public less than 10 years we want reasons set to approve arrangements or variations therefore to spend more money (see the same problem that franciacorta light poles are not) Del past " profound "But I can write for example that the first hypothesis of bike path between Rovato and Coccaglio lontanto dates back to 1991 / 2.
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:09 pm
CONCORDE SQUARE WITH THE MAXIMUM VA pedestrianized
CMQ HAS THE WRONG RESIDENT: I propose pedestrianized ALL THE CENTER AND PERMITS TO RESIDENTS ONLY (CAN THEIR PARKING FROM 18 TO 8 OF MORNING IN PIAZZA GYM TIME WITHOUT D.).
WHO DITE?
April 4th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Add a shot of the attimino Alarm, free parking for residents from 18:00 to 8:00 in the square and diskless time in the rest of the day / week in the streets and squares all around our beloved piazza Cavour. so it would be reasonable to me.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Yes, it would be better
April 4th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
good idea
April 11th, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. pm
However hypocritically the parking situation "disorderly" in the square continues ... a little every day and a bit in all times! Just make a leap and open your eyes!
However, you can easily live with situations like these irregularities, but could be a symptom of other possible irregularities situation far more serious fun for our country!
Rovato perhaps even on other situations (far more important ...) all could see, but nobody has the courage to report, comment and draw attention!
Prosit!
April 28th, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. pm
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