Un nostro lettore, Diego Vezzoli, ci ha inviato questa interessante ricerca su un fatto di cronaca accaduto nel settembre del 1944 sul Monte Orfano di Rovato: la caduta di un aereo da guerra. Our reader, Vezzoli Diego, sent us this interesting research done on a newspaper story happened in September 1944 on Mount Orphan of Rovato: the collapse of an air war. Ringraziamo il lettore per la gentile concessione di foto e testo. We thank the reader for the courtesy of photos and text.
IL CARTELLONE E’ ORA ESPOSTO IN MANIERA STABILE PRESSO LA BIBLIOTECA DI VIA LAMARMORA A ROVATO. The posters and 'TIME SET OUT IN A WAY STABLE AT THE LIBRARY FOR A WAY LAMARMORA ROVATO.
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“ L’aereo del Monte Orfano "The air of Mount Orphan
08.09.1944
tutti quanti in paese hanno sentito raccontare dal nonno oppure dal papà di quell’aereo caduto sul Monte Orfano durante la guerra, everyone in the country have heard tell from the father or grandfather of that plane crashed on Mount Orphan during the war,
ma dopo 70 anni non si sapeva ancora nulla di quanto accadde esattamente quel giorno dell’ 8 settembre 1944. but after 70 years do not yet know nothing of what exactly happened that day of 'September 8 1944.
Erano gli anni in cui l’avanzata anglo americana cominciava a lambire il nord italia e si cominciano a subire i disagi e la paura dei primi bombardamenti e mitragliamenti degli alleati sulle linee di comunicazione, per “strangolare” i rifornimenti el’approvvigionamento dell’esercito Tedesco presente ancora sul nostro territorio. They were the years in which the advanced Anglo American began to lick the north and Australia are beginning to suffer the inconvenience and fear of the first bombing and machine guns allies on the lines of communication, to "strangle" the supply and procurement of the army German still present on our territory.
Nei nostri aeroporti di Ghedi, Bettola di Lonato ed Orio al Serio Bergamo gruppi di aerei da caccia tedeschi erano pronti per intervenire ad impedire gli attacchi dei bombardieri d’alta quota che agivano su tutti gli obiettivi primari in tutta la pianura padana. In our airports Ghedi, Bettola to Lonato and Orio al Serio Bergamo groups of German fighter planes were ready to intervene to prevent attacks from the high altitude bombers acting on all the primary objectives across the Po valley. Oltre a questi aerei, ad Ghedi ed Orio al Serio erano schierati i ricognitori della Luftwaffe, l’aeronautica tedesca, che proprio da questi aeroporti operavano verso il Sud Italia, la Francia el’Adriatico. In addition to these aircraft, for Ghedi and Orio al Serio were deployed reconnaissance of the Luftwaffe, the German aircraft, that were operating from these airports to the south of Italy, France el'Adriatico.
Il giorno 08.09.1944 uno Junkers 188 bimotore del 122°Aufklarungsgruppe (gruppo ricognizione) con marche F6 GP decolla da Orio al Serio intorno alle ore 10.00 per dirigersi verso Ghedi ed iniziare poi un volo di ricognizione in tarda serata. The day 08.09.1944 a Junkers 188 twin-engine aircraft of 122 ° Aufklarungsgruppe (group reconnaissance) with GP F6 brand takes off from Orio al Serio around 10.00 per head for Ghedi and then begin a reconnaissance flight in late evening.
Il tempo è nuvoloso ma senza nebbia, condizioni che non fanno cetramente paura ai piloti, dotati del più avanzato sistema radar montato su aereo, avanzatissimo per l’epoca, il FUG200 . The weather is cloudy but without fog, conditions which are not afraid to harp pilots, equipped with the most advanced radar system mounted on aircraft, advanced for the era, the FUG200.
Uno dei due motori inizia ad avere problemi di alimentazione el’aereo, a pieno di carburante, manovra a malapena. One of the two engines began to have trouble feeding el'aereo, full of fuel, barely maneuver.
Si decide quindi di scavalcare il Monte Orfano e di effettuare un’atterraggio di emergenza nelle campagne a sud di Rovato, verso Chiari . It was decided then to override the Monte Orphan and make un'atterraggio emergency in the countryside south of Rovato, to Chiari.
La manovra non riesce el’aereo si schianta sul versante nord del monte, proprio 10 metri sotto la cresta vicino al laghetto . The maneuver fails el'aereo crashed on the north side of the mountain, just 10 meters below the ridge near the lake.
Nessuno dei quattro componenti dell’equipaggio verrà risparmiato dall’orribile fine : l’equipaggio None of the four crew members will be spared dall'orribile end: the crew
Pilota Comandante Sottotenente Herbert Spousta Pilot Lieutenant Commander Herbert Spousta
Navigatore Sottufficiale Edmund beindorf Navigator Sottoufficiale Edmund beindorf
Radiofonista Sergente Willi Stöcher Radio Sergeant Willi Stöcher
Motorista Aviere scelto Werner Teubner Aviere chosen engineer Werner Teubner
riposa al Cimitero Militare tedesco di Costermano (VR). rests with the German Military Cemetery Costermano (VR).
Prima che possano intervenire le autorità locali, molti rovatesi riescono a ricuperare parecchio rottame di alluminio oltre ad uno strano materiale all’epoca sconosciuto: il plexiglass. Before they can speak the local authorities, many rovatesi can recover a lot of scrap aluminum as well as a strange unknown material at the plexiglass.
Testimoni dell’epoca ricordano sul mercato anellini lavorati a tornio al dito di molte ragazzine rovatesi , una moda del momento! Witnesses recall of the market rings worked at a lathe finger of many girls rovatesi, a fashion of the moment!
Interverranno il giorno dopo tecnici del 122° per minare i motori onde renderli inutilizzabili da eventuale nemici. Speak on the day after technicians 122 ° to undermine the engines to make them unusable by potential enemies.
La prima traccia per effettuare questa ricerca, oltre ad interrogare testimoni rovatesi, viene trovata leggendo un diario scritto da uno svizzero impiegato in un bottonificio durante la guerra dove vi è annotata la data esatta. The first track to conduct this research, in addition to interrogate witnesses rovatesi, finds reading a diary written by a Swiss employee in a Bottonificio during the war where there is recorded the exact date. Partendo da quella data, con l’aiuto di internet si risale ad un sito inglese che tratta del reparti da ricognizione 122° e si riesce ad identificare la matricola ed il nome del comandante.Da questo, con l’aiuto del Cimitero Militare tedesco di Costernano, si risale a tutto l’equipaggio. On that date, with the help of internet dating is a site that is the English departments Reconnaissance 122 ° and you can identify the number and the name of comandante.Da this, with the help of German Military Cemetery Dismay, it all goes back to the crew.
Purtroppo gli archivi statali tedeschi non ci hanno fornito l’aiuto richiesto e quindi non si ha ad oggi nessuna foto dell’equipaggio né dell’aereo F6 GP. Unfortunately, the German state archives have not provided us with the aid required and therefore do not have at present no photos of the crew or the plane F6 GP.
Ma quale fu la causa dell’incidente??? But what was the result of the accident?
Dagli archivi del reparto risultano caduti 4 aerei dello stesso tipo in pochi giorni, caduti per cause esclusivamente tecniche , tutti e quattro nuovi e primi ad entrare in servizio . From the archives of the department are killed 4 planes of that type in a few days, fell for technical reasons only, all four new and first to enter into service.
Con l’aiuto dello studioso Nick Beale, si è scoperto che il nuovo motore Jumo 213 abbisognava di un carburante più performante in ottani rispetto ai motori in uso agli aerei precedenti Ju 88 e quindi i primi voli effettuati con il carburante di vecchio tipo stoccato nelle cisterne dell’aeroporto, portarono a questo disastro. With the help of the scholar Nick Beale, it was discovered that the new Jumo 213 engine has changed with more fuel octane performance in relation to engines used in aircraft earlier Ju 88 and then the first flights with the older fuel stored in tanks at the airport, led to this disaster.
Testimoni ricordano che prima dello schianto l’aereo aveva entrambi i motori fuori giri con un rumore che ricordava il rumore della ferraglia. Witnesses recall that before the crash the plane had two engines out of laps with a noise that recalled the sound of scrap.
I rilievi sul luogo sono stati fatti con l’aiuto di cercametalli che hanno rilevato parecchi frammenti dell’aereo, con la possibilità di ricostruirne addirittura la colorazione. The reliefs on the site were made with the help of cercametalli who found several fragments of the plane, with the ability to reconstruct even coloring.
La ricerca è stata resa difficoltosa dalla stato di abbandono del nostro bosco e dai rovi presenti sul luogo. The search was made difficult by the abandonment of our woods and brambles on the rise. Ricordiamo che il Monte Orfano al tempo dell’incidente, non aveva vegetazione ed appariva come una montagna semirocciosa completamente spoglia. Recall that the Monte Orphan at the time of the accident, had no vegetation and appeared as a mountain semirocciosa completely bare.
La ricerca comunque prosegue nella speranza di poter rintracciare altri testimoni diretti, ritrovare fotografie originali e reperti da mettere nella vetrinetta-museo che sarà custodita qui nella sede degli Alpini di Rovato. The search still continues in the hope of being able to track down other direct witnesses, find original photographs and artefacts Vetrinetta to put into the museum which will be held here at the headquarters of the Alpini Rovato.
Siamo certi che, in qualche cantina o solaio di Rovato, esistono ancora reperti dell’aereo e ci piacerebbe poterli vedere e fotografare. We are confident that, in some basement or attic of Rovato, there are still finds the plane and we would like to be able to see and photograph.
Si ringraziano tutti quanti hanno collaborato a questa ricerca: We would like to thank all those who have collaborated on this research:
Andy Mitchell Andy Mitchell
Il gruppo AirCrashPo The group AirCrashPo
Il gruppo Romagna Air Finders The group Romagna Air Finders
Sig. Mr. Angiolino Pedali Angiolino Pedals
Sig.Alberto Pedrali Sig.Alberto PEDRALI
Cimitero Germanico di Costermano German cemetery of Costermano
Archivio Parrocchiale Parish Archive
Archivio Comunale sig.Ivano Ms Municipal Archives
Gruppo Alpini Rovato Alpine Group Rovato
Il gruppo Air Crash Po si occupa di ricerche storico aeronautiche relativamente al periodo 1943/45 nella zona della pianura padana. The group Air Crash Po deals with historical research aviation for the period 1943-45 in the area of the Po Valley.
Il gruppo non ha finalità politiche né partitiche ma ha solamente l’obiettivo di raccontare nel modo più verosimile la storia di chi visse quei giorni di guerra, in modo da riportare le testimonianze raccolte alle nuove generazioni. The group has no political or party but has only the goal of telling the most likely history of those who lived those days of war in order to bring the testimonies gathered to new generations.
Diego Vezzoli”. Diego Vezzoli. "
May 27th, 2008 at 10:54 am
fascinating, congratulations!
May 27th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Bellissimo deepen the mythical "Pippo" sensational that are past 70 years from 1944 ... ..
May 28th, 2008 at 8:53 am
but that plane was the mythical PIPPO?
.. Answer my grandfather always spoke of it when it had to lower the blinds so as not to see the light in the homes .. schiantatosi the plane was on the mountain foo?
thanks
May 28th, 2008 at 9:47 am
What foo? (I understand that it is an air of special but what?)
May 28th, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. pm
during the Second World War reconnaissance flights avvenivan
these aircraft were in solitary north-italy popularly called 'PIPPO', and they were dangerous because grapeshot at low altitude possible targets on land, civil (case, means moving, even individuals)
way of saying: Turns off the lighting (dark window, sheltered under a tree, leaving the truck) THAT SEES PIPPO TI (and you grapeshot)
I think there were also songs on a foo, those who felt the radio
May 30th, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Bravi.
June 1st, 2008 at 9:59 am
1940 G.Kramer-M.Panzeri-N.Rastelli
But Pippo, Pippo does not know
ride passes that when the whole city
and sartine,
from shop windows,
mossettine the ten hundred fans.
But he very seriously
greets everyone, makes a bow and leaves,
it is believed beautiful
as an Apollo
and skipping like a chicken.
Above the door coat jacket
and above the gilè his shirt.
Above the door shoes stockings,
does not have a button and with the strings tien on the trousers.
But Pippo, Pippo does not know
and seriously, seriously if it goes to the city,
it is believed beautiful
as an Apollo
and skipping like a chicken.
June 1st, 2008 at 9:59 am
http://www.galleriadellacanzon...../pippo.htm
the history of the song .. maybe it was our Pippo!
June 3rd, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Pippo told me one of my knowledge that when the air is passed damping the lights and lit the cinema house, with great energy and care slimming effect of infallible; if it was cold joined the study with fun, without television and Internet is guaranteed to the nation's future with little expense and without many pretensions
June 6th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
For fans of Aeronautics and sfracelli connected, point out that at the library C. Cantu of Rovato is a beautiful giant photograph hung on another aircraft crashed, with other photographs of the model in question.
June 7th, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. pm
was any evidence removed by the moderator intervention that has provoked the ire of moscacocchiera, so readers have no idea of the reason for this.
June 7th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
The insults and reciprocal moscacocchiera xyz were removed because they do not seem particularly interesting and original.
June 7th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
grazie.allora eliminated the last three interventions moscacocchiera why did not understand without the insults of the lord with the beard.
June 7th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Hi,
I deleted a series of 4 comments (2 2) with insults and now everything seems ok.
If not I write well giovanni@rovato.org
G.
June 8th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
return the plane fell on Nazi monteorfano; as a child I was repeatedly shown another drop site, other than that indicated; collapse of the site known to me was on the side of Maryport, say halfway between genuisi and the convent, perhaps closer to the convent, I will not insist on this version, but what impressed me was because I was been in place for more than a walk.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Hello all, the "foo" was not an airplane German, but English, or rather "ally"
It could be a Mosquito, or A20 do not know exactly, however, the nickname was affibiato a twin-engine aircraft that night was intended to terrorize the civilian population ... and we could ... Congratulations to Mr. Diego Vezzoli and his team, these stories should also take into schools, because young people today, if they infischiano than that have passed their parents, grandparents and those who suffered or died so that now, these young people live in peace.
A former aviere.
August 7th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Mr Moro and all others, please please agree 1) whether it was a plane English or German and 2) where both fell, thanks.
Why, if there is a very vague about the thrust as it seems, there is surprising the disaffection of the young towards a story that seems remote but is not because it is our present.
August 25th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
I think that here or milan is the same so here's foo
http://www.paolo.valenti.name/.....ereo-spia/
August 26th, 2008 at 6:34 am
it is unlikely that there was only one Pippo, could not "appear" in Brescia, Milan in Ravenna and maybe more. it is easier that there were more planes with this type of assignment.
maybe someone can take the trouble to make a historical research at the military aircraft and finally understand not only how many were, but also who was behind Pippo, What was the true purpose of these raids.
September 27th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Dear Mr. Vezzoli, I read with great attention to his article
and despite my passion for everything that dates back to World War II, unfortunately I have to disagree on its findings
about the crash on Mount Orphan and his alleged
discovery of finds of this plane.
Photographs by watching I do not think there can be real finds
of the alleged air "but arruginiti pieces of any kind that have nothing to do with the military aircraft of that time.
In any case, given my interest in everything that flies, I would be grateful if you could watch live these "relics" and also the area of
findings.
Its appearance on my e-mail address aereoplanaitaliana (at) free (dot) com.
Thanks in advance for its availability
I offer my most sincere and warmest greetings.
October 4th, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. pm
I apologize for not having yet responded to all posts.
Pippo was un'aereo British reconnaissance and bombing by night, often in action on our time zones in the evening / night.
Grapeshot and bombed targets random lit during the reconnaissance, for what the lights went off.
An exemplary contraerea was shot down by a German Ghedi Quinzano d'Oglio, the two dead pilots. Even the Americans had their Pippo, the P61 Black Widow. Even here it was one in Fontanella felled Grazioli (CR).
For Zagor: there is accuracy in this search, the plane of the mountain but Pippo was not a German JU 188D2, read the research, not only the posts of others!
For moscacocchiera: Plane impact on the north side of the mountain, but several pieces including two pilots actually ended on the south in the courtyard of the house.
BY MARIA: the pieces that I have found aluminum aircraft, even showing traces of original paint and dunkelgrunn hellblau Luftwaffe, plexiglass and parts of the engine, perfectly identical to other pieces of 188 found in prov. BG and AL.
The pieces are viewable at the headquarters of a mountain Rovato, in a showcase, but if you do not believe I accompany us.
I'm not an improvised as you think, but now I do this second job for some time, researchers working with historical aircraft in Italy and abroad. In addition all'ACPO, collaborate with the group Romagna Air Finders, even if it is to ask my credentials. THE ENOUGH? Thank you
October 4th, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. pm
clarification: the Pippo poteve be in the De Havilland Mosquito or the Bristol Beaufighter, both British.
October 4th, 2008 at 11:14 PM
For AB: there were in flight over a Pippo every night and the mission was reconnaissance and bombing night light or targets of randomness.
October 6th, 2008 at 9:56 am
@ Diego Vezzoli
Thank you for your courtesy and for his guidance