Cogeme and global differentiated harvesting: there is the experience of Paderno Franciacorta
The discussion on the passage to the global differentiated harvesting has made discussing the rovatesi dividing them into groups different from those that probably represent their "normal" thought current.
We repropose then through a video some reflexions that in last days we have felt frequently, in order that if all we can agree on the fact that the continuous refusals production is harmful, we us could (and we must) question on which it is the best system to pick up them or to sell them or better still not to generate them.
Someone supports in fact the Cogeme choices, others protest, we have not a position but we like to repropose some questions to lead our readers to become an own idea as to:
WHAT PURPOSE DO THEY MAKE THE REFUSALS AFTER HAVING BEEN BEEN PICKED UP?
WHAT DIFFERENCE IS THERE BETWEEN RECYCLING AND REUTILIZING?
June 23rd, 2008 to 11:30 am
First of all we must ask ourselves: why does the harvesting become differentiated?
1-Perché compared to the last decades we are producing exorbitant quantities of refusals and often not for our guilt. The houses producers of the products of daily use keep on using plastic art, packages, not recyclable mixed materials of each family. These refusals are too much and they create problems.
2-Perché it is not known them where to lead. In the discharges?
I am already an infinity, they create pollution, disfigure the territory, are tolerated badly by the people, the entrepreneurs are enriched with the sector and as in the South they increase the business of the ecomafie.
3-Perché it is not known them where to lead. In the incinerators?
The incinerators according to studies recently published produce dwarf dusts PM2,5 highly tumorali. They pollute in enormous way the air. They produce highly toxic discarding ashes and hardly smaltibili with the highest costs. They boost the refusals production to make earning, I remember that the incinerators are in feet only with the public contributions. Besides scientific studies demonstrate the pathologies increase tumorali of 20 percent in the neighbouring zones.
June 23rd, 2008 to 11:31 am
The solution is according to me nextly, not at all discharges and not at all incinerators we use other methods that create advantages for all and not only for few ones. But goodness knows why the good and the health of the citizens does nobody want …:
- harvesting differentiated door to door to 70 %, that one goes well of co.ge.me but it is not enough and is improved for several aspects that I will deepen. The first matters are a resource.
- to produce fewer refusals: melted products, fewer packages, to be able to choose thing seizes itself to the supermarket.
- I reutilize. To model of the Countries of the North Europe, in whom it relates to the supermarket the empty bottle and they pay it to you giving you back the money.
- TMB treatment biological mechanic to cold who they complete the recycling, does not incinerate, recovers the first matters to model the Centre Recycling Vedelago that is well tolerated by the people. More profits for all above all the health for the citizens. Not recyclable part can be dealt without burning it with in bioessicazione installations. (http://it.youtube.com/watchv = _ 8Exk25viow&feature=related)
IN MY OPINION, TO DO THE DIFFERENTIATED HARVESTING AND THEN ALL ALL THE RECILANTO BURNS IN the INCINERATORS THWARTING THE LABOUR OF the RECICLO ONLY TO MAKE EARNING THE MUNICIPALIZED ONES is ONE TAKEN BY THE C. Or TO DAMAGE OF the CITIZENS!
If this there was truth invitation each citizen to be protested for the speculations to damage of the own health
June 23rd, 2008 to 12:00 pm
to stoccolma it goes so for years, not at all undifferentiated refusals. to recycle!!!!
June 23rd, 2008 to 12:08 pm
The graceful woman of the intrvista lives in a dairy farm () not in a joint ownership) and have only received the drums of the harvesting. Then it has only shown enthusiasm. But I ask me for between some months, the opinion will be the same thing … It would be beautiful if the Rovato.org staff was going picking up some opinions!!! You give … It would be a great service!!!
June 23rd, 2008 to 12:23 pm
creed that would be the perfect service but because cogeme it does not offer estimate and data?? because is not explained the mechanism that it leads to these choices? which are the preambles?
June 23rd, 2008 to 12:27 pm
I cannot that to confirm how much I dictate geko and bomb, if someone was not believing us I can look for the ticket of 35 € (
) what me have given in a supermarket of Helsinki for have brought back a big box of empty bottles.
As far as the lady regards: it is possible to be everything, it is enough to find the time to do it (and the lady
)
June 23rd, 2008 to 12:35 pm
But is the incapacity of programming strategies of market that go over nothing an inalienable quality for Cogeme? Poor we, billy goats rincoglioniti what we do has difficulty in distinguishing the coupon from the bad one, forced to give credit to panzanate of another world, sold (at expensive price) like absolute truths. Poor we.
June 23rd, 2008 to 1:00 pm
There has arrived the usual one that moans and as soon as there is someone who wants to improve something I lean also to say that it does not go well.
I would like to know mister Tiziano what he does for the environment in whom he lives. Or it is the classic one that uses the machine to complete ways also of suns hundred metres, it throws any what an alone time uses also because it costs less labour to repurchase it and so on.
To speak it would be necessary at least to be informed and it seems to me that he like other so many people have not done it.
Me it does not turn out to be that many people what write here above have put questions in order to be informed when Cogeme organised the visit to the consortium veneto that for a long time now has carried out this new way of differentiating the refusals.
June 23rd, 2008 to 1:31 pm
well all that he says tiziano is shareable, but the problem is not alone cogeme, it is above of cogeme and is a problem on national staircase
June 23rd, 2008 to 2:17 pm
The most expensive frengo. I understand you. But understand me also you. Are you ever asked you for all that it costs in terms of this blest energy picked up door to door to Chinese boxes? How many coast in human resources, in means and carburizing to go on and down to pick up sweeping, in containers (of plastic art) for the conservation of the refusal? How much does cost in terms of quality of the life to think to do that selection asked the user? He tries then to ask you for where there goes the refusal that so amiably you have picked up in the house containers.
It is actions that the punishment is worth of pursuing, others that return less than what they consume, and that then they are sold like that cannot be renounced for the environment.
June 23rd, 2008 to 2:38 pm
purchasing the water they are purchased 2l of water and 20 grammes of refusals of plastic art: THIS IS THE PROBLEM
then let's burn the plastic art … that beautiful!!
but the Euro to whom do they go?
June 23rd, 2008 to 2:48 pm
Mister Tiziano, agree with her on the beginning. If the differentiation was only a cost without any advantage for the society it would have thousand reasons.
But not to do anything is not as correct. We produce too many refusals. With a rate that awards a prize to the one who it produces less and who, to equality of quantity of produced refusal, is different more boosts a virtuous behaviour to himself.
Someone "against" which I have felt varied:
1) Useless to take the rubbish skips out if then they are maintained active in the near municipalities. It answer: it me turns out to be the project to be such to lead to regime a ten of municipalities of our zone to take the rubbish skips with the road out. And other municipalities have asked of be adding to the project
2) The costs are high: on what is this affirmation based? Has anyone read cost simulations? Do you whom? When?
3) The habits of the citizens are sacred: who has said him? the refusals are a problem and like such an each one of us it must obbligatoriamente make the own contribution. Do the mass habits come to us imposed from the television for so many absurd behaviours and now here stracciamo the garments for a request of civilisation?
It does not seem to me the case.
Greetings.
June 23rd, 2008 to 3:10 pm
To me nevertheless a problem rises … (as I think of many people …) and what me like that someone was explaining me
I live in a joint ownership of 12 families divided on 3 plans. I have the fortune of living in the ground floor and having 7/8 steps to do only. In the superior plans instead old persons live also.
My doubt is: how is it possible to pretend, above all for the old ones, of these rubbish skips to take place on the balcony, especially that green of the undifferentiated one and to tell him to do to itself 2 plans to carry it in road the day of the withdrawal?
June 23rd, 2008 to 5:30 pm
sting he is right, but the thing to be understood is that the organizational details are not the problem but the philosophy that inspires these actions
June 24th, 2008 to 5:49 am
to me it turns out to be that the drums could be left quietly to the entries of the habitations also externally, without the danger that someone throws to us in the own refusals to pay less, thanks to an opening that it is possible to do only with a magnetic card.
June 24th, 2008 to 1:21 pm
@Frengo
It can be opened by the most sophisticated certainty system but that is not the speech. Do I try to think of my case, and it is a thing that will be common also to another people … 12 Families other 12 of the joint ownership nearby, which leave the own bidoncino outside at the condomio, it means that there will be 24 bidoncini on the board of the road … all that he thinks that they should last??!!
Mine does not want to be only a polemic in order that at home, luckily, we separate paper, glass, plastic art, tins nevertheless I have a little balcony and cannot hold bidoncini everywhere
June 24th, 2008 to 1:34 pm
requested legitime but beforehand I would not be forestalled, and it seems to me that you it are not seen that you declare of already doing a differentiation between the refusals.
June 24th, 2008 to 6:59 pm
the new things, which are not known, always put a little of anxiety, fear. it is like that for the new neighbour of house who does not know himself, for the foreigner, for the new technologies, for the renewable energies, it it is also for the harvesting door to door 100 %.
After 3 years of running in with the elimination of the rubbish skips from paper, glass and plastic art, now it is necessary to do a step in ahead. it is not thinkable that there do not love to each other discharges, incinerators, I dirty at home, nothing loves to itself. there is finished the era of the consumusmo unleashed without reason, it is time to pass to a following level. The requested effort is not uninterested, but if a little bit is loved to the own country, in the own world it is necessary to do something to invert the trend. Without the abolition of the rubbish skips it was not possible to go over the lean thing 30 % present. Here is with laudable courage cogeme with the municipalities that are part of it they have started a new harvesting way. it is useless to be lamented, to do forecasts from homely castofri without having not even tried.
For the single houses the bidoncini will be personal and they will have to be positioned in road for the withdrawal. For the owner-occupiers there will be prepared rubbish skips bigger than they will pick up the refusals of all the joint ownership. For the differentiated one no problem, for the undifferentiated one the rubbish skip will have prepared a chip that will read the emptying of each owner-occupier. the data will be unloaded then to the moment of the emptying.
in many European countries it works so, in danimarca I was stopping 1corona of security for bottles of beer, coca and other drinks that were reutilized then. it is a way of doing that swift creed will reach also in italia. Before trying nevertheless let's not allow to seize the panic.
June 25th, 2008 to 7:50 am
Few ideas but it confused much. We go well …
The one who manages this poor country should to have at least the goodness of verifying what it writes.
I should not to moan then before trying, should supinamente to accept all that dispensed and to do silence. Because as well as ignorant person I am also insolent and irriguardoso in front of the one who, with laudable courage, does who utmost for me and the whole world.
If the one who manages mixture to me the refusal to the renewable energy, the consumerism with the consumusmo, the recycling with the riutilizzo perhaps is licit to worry.
And at last I ask: but this refusals cock picked up did one for one, beautiful, owe healthy and clean Cogeme it carries them? Does it polish them and produces the bananas to us? Does it bury them in the wood and picks up the porcine ones to us? Does Mazinga-Zeta eat to them that then here caga the packs of renewable energy?
June 25th, 2008 to 8:27 am
Usual arrogant speech of the one who had also the pretension of doing the manager and was raising instead only the dead man's finger to order.
June 25th, 2008 to 8:45 am
I have read my intervention again sign tiziano, but it does not seem so blundering to me. It is certain that if side with the presupposition which this initiative is got wrong for strength all the persons' interventions that do not think it like her they make her hoist.
the undifferentiated one cannot that to finish in discharge, the differentiated one can reutilized under other shapes. Paper, we already know glass and iron how it works, for the damp one and the dry one it will be produced composter that itself, sign tiziano, will be used for consimare the land for cultivating beautiful yellow bananas to shape seiovale. Sign Tiziano, me soprende his narrowness, but as I was saying above, each new thing puts fear, anxiety, concern, therefore a little I understand it. But to take for a proposal for wrong only because done from the political side, a speech seems to not nice her some retrogado.
With this each one is free of thinking and acting as better he wants, but I would not want to feel myself to say at her NO TO the DISCHARGE OF TORMENTED if then it does not become what one can to reduce the refusals to be sent in discharge itself.
Well itself Sgn. Tiziano, this is that one that there thinks one of the managers who legitimately has been elected by the rovatesi.
June 25th, 2008 to 9:33 am
But because each time that I read a Braghini commentary always looks to me that he listens to the sermon of the priest? It says hallo and kisses …
June 25th, 2008 to 7:16 pm
perhaps because you go to church, you listen to the priest and when you go out you forget that has preached you of loving your near one, even if it is not of your race
June 25th, 2008 to 7:21 pm
It is perches´ you do not put any more the stem in chieda at the first comuniore, expensive Punisher's, and do not remember how the priests speak.
June 25th, 2008 to 7:26 pm
but no! he says to have Christian roots, ome his head …
June 25th, 2008 to 10:48 pm
that one of the imminent disappearance of the rubbish skips is peculiar a perspective that it has of the stinking one; immediate consequences, blossoming again of custom of that trista of leaving any garbage everywhere; then they will come to us to say that on the boards of each ditch a telecamera will be positioned to catch possible filthy what they manage in night to unload of everything; bah!
June 30th, 2008 to 10:15 am
On Monday On June 30 2008
GHEDI. Door to door it gives great results
Harvesting refuses: now the Municipality adjusts the pulling
Road to three week passages for the recovery dell ’«damp«
To Ghedi the new version of the harvesting door to door is shared recyclable refusals by some mistakes, and to scrape the Municipality together it has introduced novelties. So now three will be the week harvesting dell ’"damply" decomposable: as well as Monday and Thursday, undergone later the six of the morning there will be another passage also on Saturday. For now in experimental road up to September.
The administration has granted the pressing requests of the citizens, and has wanted to award a prize to the country it dates the excellent obtained results. May, we remember it, door to door it has been extended to the whole communal territory with the separation of the damp one at the dry one. «After only one month we have recorded a prominent growth of the differentiated one, that reaches almost 200 tons in the month nevertheless without having could one insert all the data of the ecologic platform», explains satisfied the assessor to the Environment Giancarlo Lang.
«Besides the refusals destined to the digestion are passed by 400 to 160 tons: less than all that differentiated - the mayor Anna Julia Guarneri adds-: it means that the management of the refusals is making the digestion residual, with behaviours more virtual than forestall the production of the discarding itself».
The costs of final digestion have been so reduced to discharge and incinerator of 70 %, and besides, mayor and assessor signal the improvement of the decorum and of the general cleaning, since there are no any more «outside rubbish skip» or the abandonment from cumbersome materials. «This important reorganisation has allowed to invest resources in the services of urban hygiene that have been developed - declare two managers-: in short, comparing the last two months the harvesting of the paper it is for example a wipe with about 53 tons and a half to almost 77, and the alone damp crop in May has reached almost 43 tons. M.MON.
June 30th, 2008 to 10:12 pm
When coge it calls, altar boy risponde:alli orders!
June 30th, 2008 to 10:21 pm
Tiziano, all these commentaries very much in line and much in chorus they demonstrate the ruling ideological confusion on a serious problem and not from this moment of the tea; unfortunately the bloggers of the hour of the tea have joined at the point of putting itself the problem of the recycling of himself “not to pollute”.Purtroppo for them there exists a threshold over which the refusal exists only to destroy somehow or other; and the single rational answer is the thermodestroyer, better energy is produced.
July 1st, 2008 to 7:59 pm
L. Braghini says: With this each one is free of thinking and acting as better he wants, but I would not want to feel myself to say at her NO TO the DISCHARGE OF TORMENTED if then it does not become what one can to reduce the refusals to be sent in discharge itself.
Since the speech slips also on the "local" discharges … what it she thinks about the request of discharge in itinere in resort MACOGNA?
(if only extending the question also to others)
July 1st, 2008 to 8:26 pm
cheè the macogna?
July 2nd, 2008 to 6:53 am
It is the nth discharge that will fall to us from close up. we are moreover harassed. On the site of the region of parla of
“discharge for not dangerous refusals and relative installation of inertizzazione to come true in correspondence of the ATE 14 in Municipality of Cazzago San Martino - resort Macogna”
inert, in the zone pedrocca North. That created hole and closed it will never be used as dicarica of inert ones. we hope that the committee of control of the discharges of cazzago works well as it has made the last commission a Rovato control.
July 2nd, 2008 to 3:01 pm
Not é a discharge of INERT ONES but of NOT DANGEROUS ONES and the difference is remarkable!
I imagine Cmq nn there will be assisted to no harvesting toy theatre signatures, circles of waltz of tractors and so on and so on for this discharge …
I always wait for lights
July 2nd, 2008 to 4:23 pm
“we hope that the committee of control homes well. and so on ec”
but like, expensive sig Braghini, this then it means that you already give for discounted the authorisation of the same one?
obviously with good peace of the flooded ecology that rules in Franciacorta … that to when I understood then for this discharge it will not move leaf …
Not that by chance then … mumble mumble … there is below under some interest of a few municipalized of whom the municipality is a shareholder?
July 2nd, 2008 to 4:38 pm
discharge incinerator discharge discharge incinerator. always so
July 3rd, 2008 to 6:16 am
I would pray to be informed before speaking. The communal administrations involved for territorial competence (Cazzago S.M. and Tormented) and neighbouring (Rovato and Berlingo) they are having a dialog for a long time now to find a solution that is not that one of the nth discharge in Franciacorta. To today on the table is the question of discharge of the D.R.R. a society proprietary of the "hole". This is the single question what there is in Region, that is in the official seat.
The rest is a fried air.
The alternative solutions are without the nth slash to the territory: it is enough not to be afraid of proposing them.
July 3rd, 2008 to 9:51 am
I always thank Bergomi for the attentive and punctual specifications.
I was finding only anachronistic to be read that it was already said of “committees of control” of a not still authorised discharge …
then the hypothesis that Cogeme could have some interest, direct or indirect, in that discharge is, as she confirms, alone fried air … at least for now. We will be to see being evolved of the events.
July 3rd, 2008 to 9:53 am
- Ennio Italico Noviello, first seeker of the Cnr of Rome, has declared that Brescia would have proposed selling his incinerator (the biggest of the world) the Campania. “The proposal was of giving it for 25 million Euro, less than serves to complete that of Acerra. A proposal justified by the fact that the installation is polluting the whole Lombardy. To Brescia not there é an oxen' alone breeding that is without diossina. That installation has won a prize. But in the scientific committee of the one who has given him the prize there é one of the companies that it has made the installation. Brescia is the most polluted point of the world, it is enough to look at the satellite. The incinerator of Brescia is able to burn 750mila tons in the year, but the environmental disasters there have been documented, demonstrated and verified under all the points of view. Even the European Commission has intervened. It is incredible that someone proposes that incinerator like model”.
July 3rd, 2008 to 2:20 pm
tomorrow pink hours 10 I am snoring iervolino in sight to the incinerator of Brescia, hours 9,30 I garrison in favour of the Neapolitans: Do not do the incinerator!!!
July 29th, 2008 to 9:54 am
I signal that in the yesterday day the global differentiated harvesting has left also to Passirano.
I am curious to know the data after the period of arrangement due to the change.
There seem to Paderno F.C. to be coupons.
July 29th, 2008 to 10:55 am
Also to Berlin there are no rubbish skips for road and it is one of the cleanest and tidy cities that he has ever seen.
And there are more owner-occupiers than to Rovato. Even if all and two are capital.
August 7th, 2008 to 8:24 am
do I wonder but the hygiene what purpose have I done?
Do the absorbents igenici for example finish in the containers of the undifferentiated one that it is necessary to hold at home one month or two according to the dispositions but you realise? does it seem possible to you? and naturally also the bedstead of the cat and him scrementi of the dog.
Such a garbage generates disgusting smells and attracts insects as well as producing germs and bacteria and carrying sicknesses.
Is this an evolution according to you?
Single possible alternative? does not to pay the estimated additional withdrawals compared to those seem to you a blasphemy?
and we bent head and to obey. then so much do we have to burn the napoli refusals where is nothing divided … that we are the buffoons of the situations? as always besides!!
and the obtained results do I regard the indivisible one in other countries it makes alone to me to smile according to you they are reliable? do you believe us? you use the head.!!!! do I explain it to you because they have gone down because the people have not any intention to feel stenches at home and about the hygiene it us cares therefore simply it throws these types of garbage in the rubbish skips of other countries in which in fact a strong increase of the sweeping is recorded …. which case???
the hygiene is a right and they cannot